The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

    23 vote(s)
    37.1%
  2. Leave

    35 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. Undecided

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. fernandopartridge

    fernandopartridge Well-Known Member

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    The withdrawal agreement was why nothing would change. Jesus wept

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  2. Astute

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    Not being able to leave the EU until the EU says we can leave is leaving the EU?
     
  3. Brighton Sky Blue

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    A few possibilities

    1) They knew a good Brexit deal couldn't be struck

    2) They wanted May to balls up and say 'I told you so'

    3) They knew both 1) and 2) and wanted a route into power when it went balls up

    Doesn't make your crushes look too good in any case
     
  4. Astute

    Astute Well-Known Member

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    Playing the victim? You have worn out that phrase of yours.
     
  5. Astute

    Astute Well-Known Member

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    A conversation with several on here is impossible unless you say everything bad about Brexit and defend the EU to the hilt.
     
  6. Astute

    Astute Well-Known Member

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    Name them. Because everything you constantly mention is included.
     
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    I have never said Brexit is good. But neither is the EU love in we get all the time here.

    All we kniw about the bad things about Brexit has been said by those constantly wrong on subjects with anything to do with the EU. I see the difficulties nowhere near as bad as we keep hearing. But not as good as the other side says. Somewhere in the middle.
     
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    Exactly. But of course you can have your pats on the back for having a go at me as usual. Well done. The sheep will be along soon.
     
  9. skybluetony176

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    That’s what the “sheep” were trying to tell you all along. All of a sudden FP says the same thing and you reply “exactly” after arguing the opposite.
     
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    I already named them. Straight onto WTO tariffs or zero tariffs for every nation.


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    Amazing, isn’t it?


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  12. Sick Boy

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    The UK would have left the EU.
     
  13. Sick Boy

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    Lol
     
  14. Sick Boy

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    You constantly play the victim.
     
  15. Sky_Blue_Dreamer

    Sky_Blue_Dreamer Well-Known Member

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    I left my last job after working my notice period. Are you telling me I still work for them? If so I've got a lot of hours to catch up on. And they own me a lot of backpay.
     
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    Who put forward a deal that your current hero Alexander voted for at one point.

    Alexander himself was pro-EU and wrote articles as such and only changed sides because he saw the chance to create a power vacuum giving him a route to be PM.

    Alexander doesn't give a fuck about being in or out of the EU. He cares if he's in or out of No.10. If being a dribbling Europhile had been better for his own ambitions he would've said he was a dribbling Europhile.
     
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    Which is irrelevant - he recognised the decision must be made and he has set a definite statement of policy for his party
     
  18. skybluetony176

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    So did May with her famous red lines. Announced to the cheers of brexiteers all around the country.
     
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    It wasn’t as it was all smoke and mirrors as we now know a hard Brexit was never even in the talks
     
  20. Sick Boy

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    It’s incredible as May’s deal would have actually have meant actually leaving the EU.
     
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  21. Sick Boy

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    Even your hero de Pfeffel Johnson said that no one was talking about a no deal during the referendum campaign.
     
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    No one campaigned for a hard brexit so no one voted for one so why should a hard brexit have been in the talks? There’s no mandate for a hard brexit. What makes you so sure that Boris’ talk isn’t all smoke and mirrors? It certainly has been up to this point. Previously an advocate for EU membership. Did you ever watch the TV documentary he made which was basically an appeal for Turkey to join the EU? Did you read his column the Monday after the referendum where he outlays his vision of brexit and basically describes the Norway option? I think you’re struggling to see the smoke and mirrors through the smoke and mirrors.
     
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    I’m talking about the negotiation process - the default position is always this, therefore if neither side or political party accepted this as the default it’s laughable.

    The deal presented by May was a soft soap deal that could potentially have tied us in the backstop and the customs union forever

    So if that’s the outcome that was wanted why did he opposition party who stood on a mandate to leave the Eu at the previous election not accept it?

    All that has happened is the country has entrenched itself into a remain and stick in half the country or just leave.

    I do not also accept that many leave voters wanted a customs union or freedom of movement - so actually most wanted a hard Brexit. I do also accept a compromise given the relative closeness of the vote was a way forward. The customs union idea was rejected in parliament by many labour MPs as was the other soft options

    So if the opposition stood on a leave mandate what actually did they want - what do they want now?
     
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    You see this is the big scam about the backstop. If we negotiate the so called easiest trade deal in the history of man during the transitional period then the backstop is completely irrelevant. The abrasion to the backstop from hardline brexiteers is actually an acknowledgement that when they sold brexit they sold a pup.

    Besides Boris said during his recent campaign that he had no intention of leaving without a deal but wouldn’t take his best smoke and mirror of the table, sorry I mean bargaining chip.
     
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    So the backstop is only to do to with trade - blimey you learn something new every day
     
  26. skybluetony176

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    Not just no. But it’s the majority. Any issues regarding the backstop can be resolved during the transitional period in theory. If you have the conviction of what you’ve sold that is.
     
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    As Tony says, this is also what May did. At the time she was lauded as being firm in her negotiatons.

    How do you know he'll follow through with it? We won't know until 1st November. It's not like Alexander has ever said something and then quickly changed his mind....

    At least May was doing from the standpoint of what she thought was best for the country. Alexander is doing it from the standpoint of what is best for me and my career. If the no-deal looks like being a disaster for him personally he'll drop it quicker than Lee Burge trying to take a cross.
     
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    So the movement of people is a minority issue - right
     
  29. skybluetony176

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    Depends who you ask.
     
  30. SIR ERNIE

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    No, no one did campaign or vote for Hard Brexit…just Brexit.

    Just Leave or Remain, remember?

    Hard and Soft were versions created post referendum by the bad losers.
     
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    So we can become EEA members then. Nice one.
     
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    ERG have consistently voted to remain, then.
     
  33. shmmeee

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    Why is this hard?

    Not being a member of the EU means leaving the EU.

    If people wanted more than that they should’ve campaigned for a referendum on it.
     
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    It’s not the losers complaining that leaving the EU isn’t enough.
     
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    The Labour Party have voted against every option presented to the House
     

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