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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (11 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,326
Grendel said:
So poverty is worse, unemployment worse, average wage worse, national debt worse but as you like it that’s it
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The quality of life is far superior I’ve yet to come across any food banks in my time here. I had a job created for me and my partner found a job within 2 months, the picture you’re trying to portray is not entirely accurate and you have little idea of how the country works.

I’d much rather live in a UNESCO than some depressing city in the UK, thanks.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,327
Grendel said:
Italy ranks below Poland it’s ahead of Belarus though

Quality of Life Index by Country 2019 Mid-Year
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I’d rather judge for myself thanks and would much rather live here. I enjoy a much better quality of life.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,328
Grendel said:
Italy ranks below Poland it’s ahead of Belarus though

Quality of Life Index by Country 2019 Mid-Year
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That list has numerous countries ahead of the UK who in terms of pure economic stats are much worse.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,329
Sick Boy said:
I’d rather judge for myself thanks and would much rather live here. I enjoy a much better quality of life.
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Which to be fair is the EU way. Ignore stats say all Southern Europeans who complain are lazy bastards and I’m all right Jack so screw the poor
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,330
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
That list has numerous countries ahead of the UK who in terms of pure economic stats are much worse.
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Which is why I included it as even with “other” factors it’s streets ahead of some of our so called better EU neighbours
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,331
Grendel said:
Which to be fair is the EU way. Ignore stats say all Southern Europeans who complain are lazy bastards and I’m all right Jack so screw the poor
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Hahahaha brilliant. You have little knowledge of how Italy works and the problems that plague the south of the country and that hold it back.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,332
Sick Boy said:
Hahahaha brilliant. You have little knowledge of how Italy works and the problems that plague the south of the country and that hold it back.
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As ever you try and bring up the south as if it’s separate - so in the UK I guess we can miss out poverty areas of the north

Also given the population density of the relative areas the bulk of the measurement is in the north

Italy is not unique and on every indicator it’s worse

Why do you link any stats at all? Surely after Brexit if I have no negative impact and say so that proves fron your logic of the anecdote that it was all a storm in s teacup?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,333
Grendel said:
As ever you try and bring up the south as if it’s separate - so in the UK I guess we can miss out poverty areas of the north

Also given the population density of the relative areas the bulk of the measurement is in the north

Italy is not unique and on every indicator it’s worse

Why do you link any stats at all? Surely after Brexit if I have no negative impact and say so that proves fron your logic of the anecdote that it was all a storm in s teacup?
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Unemployment in the north is around 7% and the south is triple that, and in some places four times that.

The north and the south are worlds apart in terms of infrastructure, much, much more so than the south and north in England.

Again, you’ve just shown yourself up as having little understanding of the country.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,334
Sick Boy said:
I’d much rather live in Italy than the UK. Yet I’m not as obsessed with money and consumerism as you clearly are. The quality of life overall is much higher. If you want to delude yourself then go ahead
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That’s the problem. Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,335
Sick Boy said:
Unemployment in the north is around 7% and the south is triple that, and in some places four times that. The north and the south are worlds apart in terms of infrastructure, much, much more so than the south and north in England.

Again, you’ve just shown yourself up as having little understanding of the country.
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Well I haven’t because 7% is double the UK average and in the lowest areas it’s below 2% and the highest around 6% - so a triple spread the same as Italy. Also care to share the population density on these areas and actual unemployment numbers
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,336
skybluetony176 said:
That’s the problem. Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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Including the Italians on lifestyle measurements it seems
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,337
Grendel said:
Well I haven’t because 7% is double the UK average and in the lowest areas it’s below 2% and the highest around 6% - so a triple spread the same as Italy. Also care to share the population density on these areas and actual unemployment numbers
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There’s no zero hours contracts here to massage the figures.

I’m not denying Italy has problems but it’s problems are internally created and cannot be blamed solely on the EU.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,338
Sick Boy said:
Compared to the UK, yes it does.

We don’t go for budget lines either and its much cheaper.
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Not because it has to be transported here in the first place though? That bumps the cost up & even though they freeze some of it, it's not fresh like it is on the continent

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,339
SkyblueBazza said:
Not because it has to be transported here in the first place though? That bumps the cost up & even though they freeze some of it, it's not fresh like it is on the continent

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Yeah that is true, here it’s crazy though and more or less everything is made in Italy, not just food.

Food is also much more seasonal and people eat seasonally and based upon local produce.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,340
Grendel said:
Which to be fair is the EU way. Ignore stats say all Southern Europeans who complain are lazy bastards and I’m all right Jack so screw the poor
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...just bleat on about how terrible & unjust it is but let somebody else deal with it

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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,341
skybluetony176 said:
That’s the problem. Some people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
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What like you with your exchange rate predictions?

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,342
Grendel said:
Including the Italians on lifestyle measurements it seems
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Flying back to Verona tomorrow from Sardinia and then going to Lake Garda to cool off from the heat.

I know it’s not the Isle of Man and Rutland Water but you have to make do sometimes.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,343
Sick Boy said:
Yeah that is true, here it’s crazy though and more or less everything is made in Italy, not just food.

Food is also much more seasonal and people eat seasonally and based upon local produce.
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So they reject the EU principles on trade across borders by just buying Italian? If we did that we would probably be berated as protectionist, nationalist or even racist.

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,344
SkyblueBazza said:
So they reject the EU principles on trade across borders by just buying Italian? If we did that we would probably be berated as protectionist, nationalist or even racist.

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Are you pissed?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,345
Sick Boy said:
There’s no zero hours contracts here to massage the figures.

I’m not denying Italy has problems but it’s problems are internally created and cannot be blamed solely on the EU.
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Has the 2003 legislation introducing zero hour contracts in Italy been removed then? When was this?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,346
Grendel said:
Has the 2003 legislation introducing zero hour contracts in Italy been removed then? When was this?
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They are not counted as people being in employment here as far as I’m aware. They’re also nowhere near as widespread as the UK and have more conditions attached to them and obligations for the employer. A few months ago they were talking about trying to get rid of them completely.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,347
Sick Boy said:
They are not counted as people being in employment here as far as I’m aware. They’re also nowhere near as widespread as the UK and have more conditions attached to them and obligations for the employer. A few months ago they were talking about trying to get rid of them completely.
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Given your handle on stats I think we will take that with a huge ocean of salt
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,348
Grendel said:
Given your handle on stats I think we will take that with a huge ocean of salt
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Doesn’t really bother me. Fixed term contracts are much more common here, which are far from ideal either.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,349
Sick Boy said:
Doesn’t really bother me. Fixed term contracts are much more common here, which are far from ideal either.
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Oops

Italian unemployment down but short-term contracts on the rise
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,350
Look at those youth unemployment figures!
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,351
Grendel said:
Oops

Italian unemployment down but short-term contracts on the rise
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Yeah it’s what I said, they use fixed term contracts.

Still, I’d rather be going to Lake Garda tomorrow afternoon than walking along Bedworth canal.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,352
Grendel said:
Look at those youth unemployment figures!
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Yeah I know, reform is needed and a serious fight taken against organised crime. You’re so swiveled eyed that you try and turn it into an anti EU point.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,353
Sick Boy said:
Yeah it’s what I said, they use fixed term contracts.

Still, I’d rather be going to Lake Garda tomorrow afternoon than walking along Bedworth canal.
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Awesome comeback - I think most Italians can’t afford to go out of their own street by these figures
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,354
Sick Boy said:
Yeah I know, reform is needed and a serious fight taken against organised crime. You’re so swiveled eyed that you try and turn it into an anti EU point.
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Ha ha it’s you that said it’s a great place to live. There is not one stat to support you - if it was Bazza or astute talking like you are about the UK you’d be taking them apart!
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,355
SkyblueBazza said:
What like you with your exchange rate predictions?

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Ah well, you see that’s the point. That €60 means an extra visit to the water park on holiday. It’s not the monetary value I’m counting it’s the quality time and memories with family that I’m really counting. I’m not some flash git with loads of money, what that €60 buys is what’s valuable and it’s a simple happy memory.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,356
Grendel said:
Awesome comeback - I think most Italians can’t afford to go out of their own street by these figures
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It goes to show how much you know about Italy then. As I said, you have little awareness of how the country actually operates.

It’s strange how all of these people who can’t afford to leave their street drive round in brand new, expensive cars.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,357
Grendel said:
Ha ha it’s you that said it’s a great place to live. There is not one stat to support you - if it was Bazza or astute talking like you are about the UK you’d be taking them apart!
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It is a great place to live, much better than the UK. I definitely wouldn’t swap it.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,358
Sick Boy said:
It goes to show how much you know about Italy then. As I said, you have little awareness of how the country actually operates.
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Nor does its own population it seems as they are the most dissatisfied in Europe
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,359
Grendel said:
Nor does its own population it seems as they are the most dissatisfied in Europe
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...and they still seem to enjoy the finer things in life more than those in the UK.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,360
Sick Boy said:
...and they still seem to enjoy the finer things in life more than those in the UK.
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They don’t - you just make it up
 
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