The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

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  2. Leave

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  3. Undecided

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  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

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  1. Grendel

    Grendel Well-Known Member

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    Nor does its own population it seems as they are the most dissatisfied in Europe
     
  2. Sick Boy

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    ...and they still seem to enjoy the finer things in life more than those in the UK.
     
  3. Grendel

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    They don’t - you just make it up
     
  4. Sick Boy

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    I’d rather base it upon my own experience here thanks than someone on a football forum.
     
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    So personal experience is more important that stats and links then?
     
  6. Sick Boy

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    Why would I pay more attention to someone who spends his time on a football forum trying to make an anti EU point rather than a country I’ve lived in for nearly 4 years in total?
     
  7. Grendel

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    Well the irony is you’ve turned into an Uber capitalist - in the thatcher years many people made huge sums of money and would have said exactly what you have - country is fantastic, what is the problem. Some of them up north especially in those dirty mines ruin the stats. I’m off to my boat near Poole it’s lovely

    You’ve become a Thatcherite ha Ha ha
     
  8. Sick Boy

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    Hahahaha, put the scotch away.
     
  9. Astute

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    I didn't ignore the point of the article. I poi ted out wrong information. Then I got accused of burying my head in the sand. Then I got told I didn't read what I did. Then it escalated. Even when it was there in black and white.

    I call the British government unfit to rule. Not a problem. But if I say the slightest thing against the EU the daggers are out.

    I am seen on here as anti EU. But my family live in another EU country. I would love someone to work that out from me. But yes I am against the corruption in the EU.
     
  10. Astute

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    It is the reason I have moved my family out of the UK.

    Saw an arrest being made when I was there a couple of werks ago. Had never seen the gendarme in the area before. Someone had fallen asleep in a flower bed to the local church. They have rrspect for all unless you do something to show you don't deserve it. Even all the farmers slow down when passing our house to shout 'bonjour'

    My family have left one of the best places in the UK to go there. And they are all happy.
     
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    Economic stats to show quality of life?

    The family have moved to the least densely populated part of France. House prices are unbelievably cheap. That is because there isn't much money or jobs around. But the community spirit is on another level. It is like England 60 years or more ago.

    If you are money driven it isn't the place for you. But for quality of life as long as you love good weather.... It was only 31 degrees yesterday. The second coldest day since the family arrived. And another heatwave is forecast for next week. Will enjoy sitting in the spa pool and swimming pool drinking and eating.

    I have my own lake and land. All this for less than a cheap house in Coventry. Yet you want stats....
     
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    You just don't get it do you.

    Stats put together by someone like yourself who doesn't understand quality of life. Even my big dog isn't on edge waiting to eat someone. And he only ever lived in a nice area.

    Quality of life is having a smile on your face when you wake up and it remaining until you go to bed. It isn't about being stressed for any reason. It is all about being happy. You don't need money to be happy although having enough to live on is needed. Nobody is materialistic where the family have moved to. My wife has my 10 year old Volvo until we swap cars back. It stands out from the other cars around. Nobody tries to look better off than the rest and putting themselves into debt to do so. Everyone helps everyone.
     
  13. Astute

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    I love Italy......

    Great quality of life. Love the food. Love the people. But value for money took us to France.

    England is a good place to live. Lots of opportunities but family life suffers. You can't compare family life quality between the UK and France or Italy. It is so far apart.
     
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    When did you last go to Italy? When I was last there we had a few families invite us to family meals. Went to one of them. We learned a lot that night.
     
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    Stats and links are normally correct? They are frequently put together to say what someone wants them to say.
     
  16. Alan Dugdales Moustache

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    What a childish thing to say.
     
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    No it removes the anecdotal - my neighbours are actually Italian and are much happier here - that doesn’t prove anything

    I have spent a fair bit of time in Cape Town - I’m sure my quality of life would be great but the ranking of the place as a place to live would be an accurate representation.
     
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    Most Italians I know dislike/d living in the UK and my partner was relieved to get back to Italy.

    For us the overall quality of life is far superior here compared to our old life in Brighton, that’s not to say I don’t miss it though.
     
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    How many do you know you lived in the UK?
     
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    I know someone who is going out with someone from Naples. They said it's horrible - the standard of the housing is awful and a death trap that would be condemned here. Exposed wiring. If they turn the hot water on the lights don't work.The public transport is totally unreliable and takes forever to get you there. They said they got on a bus to get across town and halfway there the driver decided to get off and have a coffee for an hour. Wasn't his break - he just felt like it.

    So while you may be having a lovely time in a very picturesque area with a lovely climate it isn't necessarily reflective of the overall picture. It's possibly like someone middle class living in a nice detached house in the country and an X5 in the drive who get to go to reasonable restaurants and enjoy nights out at the theatre saying how great it is here. But for someone in a flat above a shop in Hillfields it's an absolute nightmare.
     
  21. Sick Boy

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    Who have lived in the UK or who live there now?
     
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    Then that’s the same across the world, surely. There’s good and bad in every country with breathtaking poverty.

    You can’t also use Napoli as a generalisation for the whole country either. It’s completely different to most other places in the country and ridden with organised crime, hence the shocking state of a lot of the housing.
     
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    Either out of the 600,000 Italians who moved here versus the 200,000 that live there. Again not that any of that actually incubates much - in the end the stats are conclusive overwhelmingly whether you like it or not. Italy will I believe be the next Greece
     
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    So saying a trip to Bedworth canal and Lake Garda isn’t generalising? Why not say the Cornish landscape or the Lake District? Honestly your rationale is full of holes
     
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    Your predictions are usually way off, so I’m going to pay much attention to it. Before spending your time trying to bring others down about where they live, I’d look a bit closer to home about what’s going on in Coventry with stabbings and shootings.
     
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    I wasn’t aware that you lived close to both of these. Personally I’d still rather visit the Italian lakes or Sardinia or Sicily, but each to their own.
     
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    It does sound great to be fair (been to various places in Italy on holiday and loved it), however, an individuals view of life doesn’t necessarily reflect the living standards of a nation.

    Italy is a great country (food, weather, wine etc) but from what I’ve read in recent years it’s in an awful financial/economic state. The unemployment rate is more than double ours and like other Southern European countries the rate for under 25s is horrific.

    I know kids in the UK talk about a lack of opportunities etc but how must they feel in these countries, knowing that they have a 25-30% chance if being unemployed ?! I presume this is part of the reason why they have ended up in an even greater political mess than us (hard to imagine I know !)

    I don’t know how much it has to do with being in the EU/Euro but either way, something’s got to change otherwise if any major country is likely to leave the EU, it will be Italy (I’m not sure if it’s financially possible though)
     
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    Of course it's the same across the world. I was using Naples as a counterpoint to you using your own experiences which you seemed to be extrapolating onto the rest of Italy. As with my example of the middle class family, you wouldn't accept that as a true reflection of the entire UK. If I just said to look at the SE because the north/Scotland/Wales were very different with different problems that wouldn't be acceptable either as representative of the whole country. Just because parts of the north of Italy have specific problems doesn't mean they can be discounted as how Italy should be perceived or recorded as a whole - they are still under the jurisdiction of the Italian government and therefore should be included in how the country should be viewed.

    As much as agreeing with Grendel seems wrong, that index (which does go beyond economic considerations, even though will undoubtedly be flawed in some way) indicates that the UK has a better overall standard of living than Italy overall. I'm sure you're having a great time and it's lovely. But there are people here who're having a great time in very picturesque areas. There are also plenty more who are having a shit time. The same is true of Italy.
     
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    Yeah of course I know it’s not great for everyone, but as you said, that’s the same the world over.

    I’d still rather live here though, it’s bizarre that I even have to justify it
     
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    As I’ve said before, the country is majorly held back by organised crime which impacts the whole of society. If it left the EU it would be in an even worse position. And it would still not remove organised crime, which needs to happen but I don’t think it would ever be possible.
     
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    Italy’s a fantastic country to visit but that’s where I’d draw the line. We’ve enjoyed some great holidays there in beautiful locations and I worked there for a few years but the country has massive problems financially and politically which are reflected in an ever worsening economy. Young people are leaving in their droves in search of work. Poverty and social unrest are increasingly serious issues and like it or not Sick Boy, the fact is that the EU are increasingly viewed as working against the interests of the country as opposed to helping resolve the crisis.
     
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    I don't think you have to justify where you choose to live. What I do think you have to justify is you seemingly stating that Italy is a better place to live than the UK in general. Your own experiences undoubtedly do make it a better place for you. The overall statistics and evidence suggest that to not be the case overall.
     
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    There’s plenty of issues that need to be addressed in both countries. IMO I’d say the overall quality of life is better on a whole, despite what some claim on here.
     
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    As I’ve said, successive Italian governments have got a lot to answer for and it’s convenient for the likes of Salvini to lay the blame at the EU rather than actually look at and change domestic policies.
     
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    As you say, it's your opinion. The actual quality of life index disputes that.

    As much of this thread is about providing actual evidence of claims not 'feelings' or anecdotal evidence the index has to take precedence over your opinion.
     

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