The EU: In, out, shake it all about....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Chat' started by jimmyhillsfanclub, Jun 8, 2016.

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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
  1. Remain

    23 vote(s)
    37.1%
  2. Leave

    35 vote(s)
    56.5%
  3. Undecided

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
  4. Not registered or not intention to vote

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. SkyblueBazza

    SkyblueBazza Well-Known Member

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    Where have I attempted to play it down?

    You are very quick to try to shout down people (me in this case) for asking questions & trying to understand what prompts behaviour. That in itself is oppressive & a threat to freedom of speech...something I am surprised you don't recognise. Or are you only in favour of free speech if it fits with your view of how things ought to be?

    Trump has just as much right to speak freely as these ladies he berates. If he makes himself look stupid along the way, that is his problem.

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    Neither, I just try very hard to not accept everything we are fed...& look for reasons what people do stuff. When I am confronted with extreme positions on anything I immediately flip to try to understand the equal & opposite thinking. Like the thing we had the other day about applying labels. It inflames people & situations. Sometimes they deserve it, sometimes they don't.

    Just like I despaired at Trump's statement...but he & his methods do sometimes produce positive outcomes. Like he appears to be getting further with N.Korea than anyone before him. Media report more on his generally perceived negatives that his positives. Maybe in reality there are actually more negatives. The land of the free have the chance to get rid of him soon. We shall have to wait & see what they think of him after 4yrs as President.

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    Why is this so hard for people?

    There’s are three deals: Mays deal, No deal, and no Brexit.

    There is no magical fourth option that makes everyone happy. Some eggs will need to be broken to make a brexit omelette.

    Any politician that tells you otherwise is a charlatan

    This is why I back a three way AV referendum. We know the options. Let’s finish this. I’d even accept a three way vote in Parliament but doing it as a series of run offs with no winner was just stupid.
     
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    If you genuinely think that those challenging Trump’s open racism is more of a threat to freedom of speech than the likes of Trump, then you’re insane.

    In a civilised society there are laws against racism and hate speech. What you’re advocating would take society backwards, it’s shocking you’d even try and normalise it.

    It seems you’re massively taken in by Trump and majorly miss the wider agenda at play here.
     
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    Why do you think that it got weaker after 29 March and after BoJo said he was for no deal? Do you think the Finance World thinks that Brexit is a good idea?
     
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    Highly unlikely ‘no deal’ will happen but if even if it does it won’t be for long.
     
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    You’d accept a 3 way referendum which splits the leave vote in half

    How about a four way vote where remaining supporters vote for remain and accept further integration or remain but want no further integration
     
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    They are not saying it is good or bad but that it’s uncertain

    Given where you live is built around currency devaluation it’s all a bit ironic isn’t it?
     
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    Brexit omelette....like it !

    Unfortunate shmmeee the extremes aren’t judging.

    I heard Grieve earlier and whilst his intentions may be good in trying to stop a No Deal (I think his ultimate aim is still to stop brexit), I personally believe his (and other staunch remainers) interference makes getting an agreement through Parliament less likely, therefore making No Deal more likely.

    Not dissimilar to the ERG. By pushing their ideological Brexit could mean a ‘no confidence’ vote, meaning an election and possibly no Brexit at all.

    Both the extremes are the problem and the rest of us (reasonable remain and leave) are stuck in the middle
     
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    I thought our currency was supposed to be too strong. Whatever. I saved some money because of the Brexit vote in 2016, it looks like should send a few grand over if this continues. Missus wants us to go to Cornwall. Thanks BoJo.
     
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    Retaining the status quo is the easiest and safest option. It is not an extreme position.
     
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    Or much more when moving money about ;)
     
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    It is as soon as the vote happened Mart.
     
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    I was talking rationally. ;-)
     
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    Is this the same Donald Trump who made references about dating his own daughter?
     
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    Which actually in general typifies the German response to its European “allies” - do as you are told or else

    Thanks for this post - I will possibly use it in support of an article on the German dominance on Europe in the comments section. I’m particular intrigued by threats made by Helmut Kohl in 1996 which I was not aware of which show an “integrate or be damned” approach to the rest of Europe
     
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    They’re the most used and traded currencies in the world stage.
     
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    Well, I’m not €60 better of than I would have been had I waited until next week to change my pounds into euros for no reason. For seeing the shit and turbulence that’s unfolded in British politics this year hardly needed a crystal ball, I’m not claiming to be some sort of genius on this. I brought straight after article 50 was extended and the pound had a bounce.

    Thanks, Costa Blanca. Too late for pre season tour unfortunately.
     
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    He has the right to speak freely. He (or anyone else) does not have the right to make shit up and claim 'free speech'. If you make claims they should be able to be backed up by evidence (and proper evidence, not "a poll says x% of people think/feel crime is on the rise/Mexicans are rapists").

    If you want free speech it has large amounts of responsibility attached. If you're not willing to be that responsible then you're a potential danger.
     
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    Should have waited until article 50 was extended if you had the choice. That was looking more and more likely as we approached B day and the pound was always going to react positive to that given how badly prepared we are.
     
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    She is quite fit though :emoji_relaxed:
     
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    Trump told American citizens to go home, (sub text, you're not white so you don't belong here).
    It's a shocking thing for a country's leader to say about some of its citizens and no rational person can dress it up as anything other than disgraceful no matter what the provocation.
    Fortunately for trump the world is increasingly full of people like you who try and excuse everything he does from mocking handicapped people to sexual assaults.
     
  24. Astute

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    Not changing the subject?

    You said that I was hiding my head in the sand fir saying that the G10 wasn't the top 10 biggest currencies. Is this correct?

    So are the G10 the top 10 biggest currencies?
     
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    Will it still be called Mays deal when May isn't PM?

    The 'May' deal is what the EU offered. Take it or leave it. It wasn't what May asked for.

    This still has a long way to go. I don't think it will be a no deal or anything else presently on the table. We still might not even leave. If we didn't have such a pathetic bunch of useless twats running our country or a pathetic bunch of useless twats in opposition we wouldn't be in this situation.

    But nobody in their right mind would want a no deal situation. It has as much chance of being good for us as being catastrophic. Will be somewhere in the middle.
     
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    It is easy to see that some people do think that perhaps in the face of no deal, one or both sides may adjust their position somewhat.

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    No I didn’t.

    I said you were burying your head in the sand about the negative impact upon the pound.
     
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    But that is what is so divisive. For yrs generally people such as us have merely shrugged their shoulders even when such changes in the value of the pound have been more dramatic. Now some of us make it into something that is likely to have a dramatic impact on us all...just because they think it adds weight to their argument.
    Reality, £5-10 on the average family holiday budget for a week on the Costa del Sol or similar

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  29. Astute

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    Is that right?

    Show me where then.

    Negative inpact? So Germany having a negative impact on their currency because they share it with weak countries like Italy is all bad? What is bad is a strong currency or hyper inflation. I have been saying this for the last few years. But it isn't harming us now like it isn't harming Germany. Those who are being harmed are those with weak economies that share a currency with Germany.

    Or would you like to put a spin on having our currency devalued isall bad news. Because if Brexit does go tits up it will be the devalued £ that will save us from harm. Then it will go back to where it should be.
     
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    So what about when you said you bought euro's at the start of the year and got a good exchange rate?
     
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    I didn’t say at the start of the year.
     
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    This is why a three way vote is needed. The two sides won’t compromise so we need a deadlock breaker.
     
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    Remain shouldn't be on a new vote though,It lost 3 years ago.
    What cant people understand about that?
    Shall we have a re-run of the vote in 1975 when we joined the common market?
    FFs just leave and get on with it the world will still turn on 1st November!!
     
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    When was it then? You have had long enough to work out the best timing to have done so.
     
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    I have no interest in playing this game, it’s there in black and white
     

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