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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (19 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,291
Sick Boy said:
I have no interest in playing this game, it’s there in black and white
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Playing this game? Yes it is there in black and white. You tried to make out that the G10 was the strongest 10 currencies and went as far as asking what currency was stronger. So I gave you China.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,292
Astute said:
Playing this game? Yes it is there in black and white. You tried to make out that the G10 was the strongest 10 currencies and went as far as asking what currency was stronger. So I gave you China.
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Zzzz...ffs no I didn’t. You claimed the articles were lies and now have had to use your usual distraction techniques.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,293
Sick Boy said:
The poorest don’t even go on holiday.

The biggest impact for them will have been the cost of living, such as food prices, which have undeniably increased since the devaluation of the pound.

That’s not even looking at other general goods that the country imports and are going to be impacted.
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That's right, so maybe Tony & similar will forgo his holiday & find some worthy poorer families to give his hard earned cash to help through these difficult times instead?

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,294
Astute said:
Luckily increased competition has kept food prices down.
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More lies I suppose?

Brexit-related price hikes see UK families spend billions more on everyday goods, new research finds
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,295
Sick Boy said:
The poorest don’t even go on holiday.

The biggest impact for them will have been the cost of living, such as food prices, which have undeniably increased since the devaluation of the pound.

That’s not even looking at other general goods that the country imports and are going to be impacted.
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Not of course that the Eu are too bothered about high food costs are they?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,296
Astute said:
When was it then? You have had long enough to work out the best timing to have done so.
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Just after Article 50 was extended like I’ve already said i.e. earlier in the year like I said in the very first place.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,297
Grendel said:
Not of course that the Eu are too bothered about high food costs are they?
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The food over here is much cheaper than the Uk and generally much, much better quality.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,298
Yes SB. I asked you why you called them the biggest currencies
Astute said:
So what are the G 10 currencies? Not which are they. Why do you call them the biggest currencies?

Look at your list of what they are and tell me they are the biggest with honesty. You can't if you are being truthful. It is just a grouping.
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And here was your reply.

Sick Boy said:
So which currencies do you believe are bigger?
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My post was at 11:34 and your reply was at 1156. Page 1093 if this helps.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,299
Sick Boy said:
More lies I suppose?

Brexit-related price hikes see UK families spend billions more on everyday goods, new research finds
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According to analysis from 'people's vote'
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,300
Sick Boy said:
The food over here is much cheaper than the Uk and generally much, much better quality.
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I didn't find it cheaper in Italy. But yes the quality is better.

Is it OK to mention that the EU keeps food prices artificially high if it worries you so much?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,301
Astute said:
Yes SB. I asked you why you called them the biggest currencies

And here was your reply.


My post was at 11:34 and your reply was at 1156. Page 1093 if this helps.
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The original point and much bigger point was about the articles, ffs. Which you dismissed as lies.

You’ve done your usual trick of distracting away from the main point though.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,302
Astute said:
I didn't find it cheaper in Italy. But yes the quality is better.

Is it OK to mention that the EU keeps food prices artificially high if it worries you so much?
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Food In supermarkets is around half the price and eating out is way cheaper if you avoid tourist restaurants.

Hahaha yeah blame the EU for rising costs in UK food too haha!
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,303
skybluetony176 said:
Just after Article 50 was extended like I’ve already said i.e. earlier in the year like I said in the very first place.
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So when was it?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,304
westcountry_skyblue said:
Remain shouldn't be on a new vote though,It lost 3 years ago.
What cant people understand about that?
Shall we have a re-run of the vote in 1975 when we joined the common market?
FFs just leave and get on with it the world will still turn on 1st November!!
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By that logic leave shouldn't have been on the referendum ballot as it lost when we voted to join. If Scotland got a second vote should independence be left off because it lost last time?

Things change. A lot of what was offered/promised to entice people to vote Leave has been proven to be untrue. The idea negotiating an exit deal would be easy has proven incorrect. I doubt most people didn't even consider the Irish border implications initially as it wasn't even mentioned over here.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,305
Sick Boy said:
Food In supermarkets is around half the price and eating out is way cheaper if you avoid tourist restaurants.
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Found beer and wine much cheaper. But not the food. But I don't go for the budget lines so couldn't comment on that. I enjoy my food so always go for quality. You can taste the difference. Good quality doesn't come cheap in Italy.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,306
Astute said:
Found beer and wine much cheaper. But not the food. But I don't go for the budget lines so couldn't comment on that. I enjoy my food so always go for quality. You can taste the difference. Good quality doesn't come cheap in Italy.
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Compared to the UK, yes it does.

We don’t go for budget lines either and its much cheaper.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,307
Sick Boy said:
The original point and much bigger point was about the articles, ffs. Which you dismissed as lies.

You’ve done your usual trick of distracting away from the main point though.
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Because you made a comment about them being the biggest. And you even answered me when I questioned you on the matter asking me which was bigger.

Nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong for once. And as you said it is there in black and white. Too late to remove the post.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,308
Astute said:
Because you made a comment about them being the biggest. And you even answered me when I questioned you on the matter asking me which was bigger.

Nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong for once. And as you said it is there in black and white. Too late to remove the post.
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Hahaha bloody hell. Still. It comment on the actual articles and their contents then?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,309
Sick Boy said:
Compared to the UK, yes it does.

We don’t go for budget lines either and its much cheaper.
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Like what as we are nipping over in a week or so. I have 6 more days of work then nearly 3 weeks with the family. And we have visitors. So travelling all over.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,310
Sick Boy said:
Hahaha bloody hell. Still. It comment on the actual articles and their contents then?
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So explain your comment on asking which currencies are bigger than the G10 then?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,311
Astute said:
So explain your comment on asking which currencies are bigger than the G10 then?
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Zzzz... and you still named a currency which has been outperforming the pound.

As has already been pointed out to you they are chosen as they are the most heavily traded in the world
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,312
Astute said:
So when was it?
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I’ve just told you. Are you on something?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,313
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
By that logic leave shouldn't have been on the referendum ballot as it lost when we voted to join. If Scotland got a second vote should independence be left off because it lost last time?

Things change. A lot of what was offered/promised to entice people to vote Leave has been proven to be untrue. The idea negotiating an exit deal would be easy has proven incorrect. I doubt most people didn't even consider the Irish border implications initially as it wasn't even mentioned over here.
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A lot of what was promised/offered if we voted to stay in the common market was proven to be lies. And the government at the time knew it as they were hiding the truth from us.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,314
Sick Boy said:
Zzzz... and you still named a currency which has been outperforming the pound.

As has already been pointed out to you they are chosen as they are the most heavily traded in the world
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So you don't want to answer the question still. OK I understand. Same shit different day.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,315
Astute said:
Like what as we are nipping over in a week or so. I have 6 more days of work then nearly 3 weeks with the family. And we have visitors. So travelling all over.
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It depends on the supermarket and weirdly it’s location. You’re better off going to the massive ones in shopping centers/industrial estates, weirdly
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,316
Sick Boy said:
Food In supermarkets is around half the price and eating out is way cheaper if you avoid tourist restaurants.

Hahaha yeah blame the EU for rising costs in UK food too haha!
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Yet the standard of living is worse as is their opinion as to how well the Eu serves them
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,317
Just for you SB. This is what the G10 is all about. It is nothing to do with what you are trying to make out.

Group of Ten
The Group of Ten (G10) refers to the group of countries that have agreed to participate in the General Arrangements to Borrow (GAB), a supplementary borrowing arrangement that can be invoked if the IMF’s resources are estimated to be below a member’s needs. The GAB was established in 1962, when the governments of eight IMF members—Belgium, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the United States—and the central banks of two others, Germany and Sweden, agreed to make resources available to the IMF for drawings by participants and, under certain circumstances, for drawings by nonparticipants. The G10 was strengthened in 1964 by the association of Switzerland, then a nonmember of the IMF, expanding its membership to 11, but the name of the G10 remained the same. Following its inception, the G10 broadened its engagement with the Fund, including issuing reports that culminated in the creation of the Special Drawing Right (SDR) in 1969. The G10 was also the forum for discussions that led to the December 1971 Smithsonian Agreement following the collapse of the Bretton Woods system. The following international organizations are official observers of the activities of the G10: the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), the European Commission, the IMF, and the OECD.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,318
Astute said:
Just for you SB. This is what the G10 is all about. It is nothing to do with what you are trying to make out.

Group of Ten
The Group of Ten (G10) refers to the group of countries that have agreed to participate in the General Arrangements to Borrow (GAB), a supplementary borrowing arrangement that can be invoked if the IMF’s resources are estimated to be below a member’s needs. The GAB was established in 1962, when the governments of eight IMF members—Belgium, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, and the United States—and the central banks of two others, Germany and Sweden, agreed to make resources available to the IMF for drawings by participants and, under certain circumstances, for drawings by nonparticipants. The G10 was strengthened in 1964 by the association of Switzerland, then a nonmember of the IMF, expanding its membership to 11, but the name of the G10 remained the same. Following its inception, the G10 broadened its engagement with the Fund, including issuing reports that culminated in the creation of the Special Drawing Right (SDR) in 1969. The G10 was also the forum for discussions that led to the December 1971 Smithsonian Agreement following the collapse of the Bretton Woods system. The following international organizations are official observers of the activities of the G10: the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), the European Commission, the IMF, and the OECD.
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So you’re just going to ignore the point of the articles?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,319
Grendel said:
Yet the standard of living is worse as is their opinion as to how well the Eu serves them
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The quality of life overall is way higher than that of the UK.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,320
Sick Boy said:
The quality of life overall is way higher than that of the UK.
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What economic stats do you have to back that one up?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,321
I’ll start - unemployment rates what is it in each country?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,322
I’d much rather live in Italy than the UK. Yet I’m not as obsessed with money and consumerism as you clearly are. The quality of life overall is much higher. If you want to delude yourself then go ahead
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,323
Grendel said:
What economic stats do you have to back that one up?
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Quality of life goes way beyond economic stats. Even a number of economic stats, such as areas of deprivation, don't look great for the UK.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,324
Sick Boy said:
I’d much rather live in Italy than the UK. Yet I’m not as obsessed with money and consumerism as you clearly are. The quality of life overall is much higher. If you want to delude yourself then go ahead
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So poverty is worse, unemployment worse, average wage worse, national debt worse but as you like it that’s it
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,325
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Quality of life goes way beyond economic stats. Even a number of economic stats, such as areas of deprivation, don't look great for the UK.
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Italy ranks below Poland it’s ahead of Belarus though

Quality of Life Index by Country 2019 Mid-Year
 
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