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The EU: In, out, shake it all about.... (13 Viewers)

  • Thread starter jimmyhillsfanclub
  • Start date Jun 8, 2016
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As of right now, how are thinking of voting? In or out

  • Remain

    Votes: 23 37.1%
  • Leave

    Votes: 35 56.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • Not registered or not intention to vote

    Votes: 1 1.6%

  • Total voters
    62
  • Poll closed Jun 15, 2016.
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Sick Boy

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,256
SkyblueBazza said:
Where have I attempted to play it down?

You are very quick to try to shout down people (me in this case) for asking questions & trying to understand what prompts behaviour. That in itself is oppressive & a threat to freedom of speech...something I am surprised you don't recognise. Or are you only in favour of free speech if it fits with your view of how things ought to be?

Trump has just as much right to speak freely as these ladies he berates. If he makes himself look stupid along the way, that is his problem.

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If you genuinely think that those challenging Trump’s open racism is more of a threat to freedom of speech than the likes of Trump, then you’re insane.

In a civilised society there are laws against racism and hate speech. What you’re advocating would take society backwards, it’s shocking you’d even try and normalise it.

It seems you’re massively taken in by Trump and majorly miss the wider agenda at play here.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,257
SIR ERNIE said:
£1 bought you 1.11 euros on 1st Jan and 1.11euros yesterday, having been around 1.14-1.17 in the Spring.
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Why do you think that it got weaker after 29 March and after BoJo said he was for no deal? Do you think the Finance World thinks that Brexit is a good idea?
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,258
Sick Boy said:
Bring on no deal and parity! Its great that so many are happy for this to happen, cheers guys.
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Highly unlikely ‘no deal’ will happen but if even if it does it won’t be for long.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,259
shmmeee said:
Why is this so hard for people?

There’s are three deals: Mays deal, No deal, and no Brexit.

There is no magical fourth option that makes everyone happy. Some eggs will need to be broken to make a brexit omelette.

Any politician that tells you otherwise is a charlatan

This is why I back a three way AV referendum. We know the options. Let’s finish this. I’d even accept a three way vote in Parliament but doing it as a series of run offs with no winner was just stupid.
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You’d accept a 3 way referendum which splits the leave vote in half

How about a four way vote where remaining supporters vote for remain and accept further integration or remain but want no further integration
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,260
martcov said:
Why do you think that it got weaker after 29 March and after BoJo said he was for no deal? Do you think the Finance World thinks that Brexit is a good idea?
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They are not saying it is good or bad but that it’s uncertain

Given where you live is built around currency devaluation it’s all a bit ironic isn’t it?
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,261
shmmeee said:
Why is this so hard for people?

There’s are three deals: Mays deal, No deal, and no Brexit.

There is no magical fourth option that makes everyone happy. Some eggs will need to be broken to make a brexit omelette.
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Brexit omelette....like it !

Unfortunate shmmeee the extremes aren’t judging.

I heard Grieve earlier and whilst his intentions may be good in trying to stop a No Deal (I think his ultimate aim is still to stop brexit), I personally believe his (and other staunch remainers) interference makes getting an agreement through Parliament less likely, therefore making No Deal more likely.

Not dissimilar to the ERG. By pushing their ideological Brexit could mean a ‘no confidence’ vote, meaning an election and possibly no Brexit at all.

Both the extremes are the problem and the rest of us (reasonable remain and leave) are stuck in the middle
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,262
Sick Boy said:
Brexit weakens pound to worst-performing major currency in the world | Metro News

Good news for me when visiting this summer!
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Yes, roughly equivalent to a 'free' packet of peanuts with every 5 pints.

Enjoy
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,263
Grendel said:
They are not saying it is good or bad but that it’s uncertain

Given where you live is built around currency devaluation it’s all a bit ironic isn’t it?
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I thought our currency was supposed to be too strong. Whatever. I saved some money because of the Brexit vote in 2016, it looks like should send a few grand over if this continues. Missus wants us to go to Cornwall. Thanks BoJo.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,264
CCFCSteve said:
Brexit omelette....like it !

Unfortunate shmmeee the extremes aren’t judging.

I heard Grieve earlier and whilst his intentions may be good in trying to stop a No Deal (I think his ultimate aim is still to stop brexit), I personally believe his (and other staunch remainers) interference makes getting an agreement through Parliament less likely, therefore making No Deal more likely.

Not dissimilar to the ERG. By pushing their ideological Brexit could mean a ‘no confidence’ vote, meaning an election and possibly no Brexit at all.

Both the extremes are the problem and the rest of us (reasonable remain and leave) are stuck in the middle
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Retaining the status quo is the easiest and safest option. It is not an extreme position.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,265
SIR ERNIE said:
Yes, roughly equivalent to a 'free' packet of peanuts with every 5 pints.

Enjoy
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Or much more when moving money about
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,266
martcov said:
Retaining the status quo is the easiest and safest option. It is not an extreme position.
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It is as soon as the vote happened Mart.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,267
CCFCSteve said:
It is as soon as the vote happened Mart.
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I was talking rationally. ;-)
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,268
Grendel said:
Oh and the Donald thinks she married her brother to get to the US
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Is this the same Donald Trump who made references about dating his own daughter?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,269
martcov said:
I thought our currency was supposed to be too strong. Whatever. I saved some money because of the Brexit vote in 2016, it looks like should send a few grand over if this continues. Missus wants us to go to Cornwall. Thanks BoJo.
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Which actually in general typifies the German response to its European “allies” - do as you are told or else

Thanks for this post - I will possibly use it in support of an article on the German dominance on Europe in the comments section. I’m particular intrigued by threats made by Helmut Kohl in 1996 which I was not aware of which show an “integrate or be damned” approach to the rest of Europe
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,270
Astute said:
So what are the G 10 currencies? Not which are they. Why do you call them the biggest currencies?

Look at your list of what they are and tell me they are the biggest with honesty. You can't if you are being truthful. It is just a grouping.
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They’re the most used and traded currencies in the world stage.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,271
SIR ERNIE said:
Hahaha bullshit.

You ‘seen’ what coming earlier this year?
The fact that at very best you might have an extra 3% or 4% to spend on your summer holiday?

After all, GBP is at the same level vs the EUR and 4 cents off the USD rate it was on 1st Jan.

‘I had the good sense to change a shit load’. Love it, classic David Brent.

Have a great holiday, where are you going?
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Well, I’m not €60 better of than I would have been had I waited until next week to change my pounds into euros for no reason. For seeing the shit and turbulence that’s unfolded in British politics this year hardly needed a crystal ball, I’m not claiming to be some sort of genius on this. I brought straight after article 50 was extended and the pound had a bounce.

Thanks, Costa Blanca. Too late for pre season tour unfortunately.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,272
SkyblueBazza said:
Trump has just as much right to speak freely as these ladies he berates. If he makes himself look stupid along the way, that is his problem.
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He has the right to speak freely. He (or anyone else) does not have the right to make shit up and claim 'free speech'. If you make claims they should be able to be backed up by evidence (and proper evidence, not "a poll says x% of people think/feel crime is on the rise/Mexicans are rapists").

If you want free speech it has large amounts of responsibility attached. If you're not willing to be that responsible then you're a potential danger.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,273
Astute said:
The £ is the lowest against the € for 6 months. So if bought at the start of the year it was even lower. Just had to look at the post you quoted. No surprise there.
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Should have waited until article 50 was extended if you had the choice. That was looking more and more likely as we approached B day and the pound was always going to react positive to that given how badly prepared we are.
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,274
skybluetony176 said:
Is this the same Donald Trump who made references about dating his own daughter?
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She is quite fit though :emoji_relaxed:
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,275
SkyblueBazza said:
Am I?
The other take on that would be that you are a media dream...you respond to what they tell you rather than trying to all perspectives on a situation to form your own viewpoint.


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Trump told American citizens to go home, (sub text, you're not white so you don't belong here).
It's a shocking thing for a country's leader to say about some of its citizens and no rational person can dress it up as anything other than disgraceful no matter what the provocation.
Fortunately for trump the world is increasingly full of people like you who try and excuse everything he does from mocking handicapped people to sexual assaults.
 
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Astute

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,276
Sick Boy said:
I’m not changing subject. How’s the pound been performing vs the Yuan since the threat of a no deal has been further amplified?
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Not changing the subject?

You said that I was hiding my head in the sand fir saying that the G10 wasn't the top 10 biggest currencies. Is this correct?

So are the G10 the top 10 biggest currencies?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,277
shmmeee said:
Why is this so hard for people?

There’s are three deals: Mays deal, No deal, and no Brexit.

There is no magical fourth option that makes everyone happy. Some eggs will need to be broken to make a brexit omelette.

Any politician that tells you otherwise is a charlatan

This is why I back a three way AV referendum. We know the options. Let’s finish this. I’d even accept a three way vote in Parliament but doing it as a series of run offs with no winner was just stupid.
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Will it still be called Mays deal when May isn't PM?

The 'May' deal is what the EU offered. Take it or leave it. It wasn't what May asked for.

This still has a long way to go. I don't think it will be a no deal or anything else presently on the table. We still might not even leave. If we didn't have such a pathetic bunch of useless twats running our country or a pathetic bunch of useless twats in opposition we wouldn't be in this situation.

But nobody in their right mind would want a no deal situation. It has as much chance of being good for us as being catastrophic. Will be somewhere in the middle.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,278
shmmeee said:
Why is this so hard for people?

There’s are three deals: Mays deal, No deal, and no Brexit.

There is no magical fourth option that makes everyone happy. Some eggs will need to be broken to make a brexit omelette.

Any politician that tells you otherwise is a charlatan

This is why I back a three way AV referendum. We know the options. Let’s finish this. I’d even accept a three way vote in Parliament but doing it as a series of run offs with no winner was just stupid.
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It is easy to see that some people do think that perhaps in the face of no deal, one or both sides may adjust their position somewhat.

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,279
Astute said:
Not changing the subject?

You said that I was hiding my head in the sand fir saying that the G10 wasn't the top 10 biggest currencies. Is this correct?

So are the G10 the top 10 biggest currencies?
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No I didn’t.

I said you were burying your head in the sand about the negative impact upon the pound.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,280
Sick Boy said:
No I didn’t.

I said you were burying your head in the sand about the negative impact upon the pound.
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But that is what is so divisive. For yrs generally people such as us have merely shrugged their shoulders even when such changes in the value of the pound have been more dramatic. Now some of us make it into something that is likely to have a dramatic impact on us all...just because they think it adds weight to their argument.
Reality, £5-10 on the average family holiday budget for a week on the Costa del Sol or similar

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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,281
Sick Boy said:
No I didn’t.

I said you were burying your head in the sand about the negative impact upon the pound.
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Is that right?

Show me where then.

Negative inpact? So Germany having a negative impact on their currency because they share it with weak countries like Italy is all bad? What is bad is a strong currency or hyper inflation. I have been saying this for the last few years. But it isn't harming us now like it isn't harming Germany. Those who are being harmed are those with weak economies that share a currency with Germany.

Or would you like to put a spin on having our currency devalued isall bad news. Because if Brexit does go tits up it will be the devalued £ that will save us from harm. Then it will go back to where it should be.
 

Astute

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,282
skybluetony176 said:
Should have waited until article 50 was extended if you had the choice. That was looking more and more likely as we approached B day and the pound was always going to react positive to that given how badly prepared we are.
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So what about when you said you bought euro's at the start of the year and got a good exchange rate?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,283
Astute said:
So what about when you said you bought euro's at the start of the year and got a good exchange rate?
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I didn’t say at the start of the year.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,284
CCFCSteve said:
Brexit omelette....like it !

Unfortunate shmmeee the extremes aren’t judging.

I heard Grieve earlier and whilst his intentions may be good in trying to stop a No Deal (I think his ultimate aim is still to stop brexit), I personally believe his (and other staunch remainers) interference makes getting an agreement through Parliament less likely, therefore making No Deal more likely.

Not dissimilar to the ERG. By pushing their ideological Brexit could mean a ‘no confidence’ vote, meaning an election and possibly no Brexit at all.

Both the extremes are the problem and the rest of us (reasonable remain and leave) are stuck in the middle
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This is why a three way vote is needed. The two sides won’t compromise so we need a deadlock breaker.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,285
shmmeee said:
This is why a three way vote is needed. The two sides won’t compromise so we need a deadlock breaker.
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Remain shouldn't be on a new vote though,It lost 3 years ago.
What cant people understand about that?
Shall we have a re-run of the vote in 1975 when we joined the common market?
FFs just leave and get on with it the world will still turn on 1st November!!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,286
skybluetony176 said:
I didn’t say at the start of the year.
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When was it then? You have had long enough to work out the best timing to have done so.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,287
Astute said:
Is that right?

Show me where then.

Negative inpact? So Germany having a negative impact on their currency because they share it with weak countries like Italy is all bad? What is bad is a strong currency or hyper inflation. I have been saying this for the last few years. But it isn't harming us now like it isn't harming Germany. Those who are being harmed are those with weak economies that share a currency with Germany.

Or would you like to put a spin on having our currency devalued isall bad news. Because if Brexit does go tits up it will be the devalued £ that will save us from harm. Then it will go back to where it should be.
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I have no interest in playing this game, it’s there in black and white
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,288
SkyblueBazza said:
But that is what is so divisive. For yrs generally people such as us have merely shrugged their shoulders even when such changes in the value of the pound have been more dramatic. Now some of us make it into something that is likely to have a dramatic impact on us all...just because they think it adds weight to their argument.
Reality, £5-10 on the average family holiday budget for a week on the Costa del Sol or similar

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The poorest don’t even go on holiday.

The biggest impact for them will have been the cost of living, such as food prices, which have undeniably increased since the devaluation of the pound.

That’s not even looking at other general goods that the country imports and are going to be impacted.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,289
shmmeee said:
This is why a three way vote is needed. The two sides won’t compromise so we need a deadlock breaker.
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But 52% v 48% was a majority. And millions of people refuse to accept the result. So what would it be like without a majority decision?
 

Astute

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  • Jul 20, 2019
  • #38,290
Sick Boy said:
The poorest don’t even go on holiday.

The biggest impact for them will have been the cost of living, such as food prices, which have undeniably increased since the devaluation of the pound.
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Luckily increased competition has kept food prices down.
 
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