Yet they will wear Hugo Boss gear and not be labelled a Nazi when Hugo Boss was a massive Nazi. Can I boo any Hugo Boss wearers? Should I boo myself when I wear my Boss stuff? It's so confusing.
Only because they want to, for whatever reason. Why would they not associate Boss with the Nazis when he literally made the fucking uniforms? Because they don't want to, for whatever reason.
Yep let's boo anyone who wears Adidas, they are Nazis using the same weird logic that anyone who kneels against racism is supporting BLM.
I do like the people falling over themselves to defend the racist cunts who support a racist club.
It's times like this, I regret forgetting to take off notifications for this thread...
For what it’s worth I don’t see an issue with it being associated with BLM and nobody I know does either. So there’s that.
But that’s the thing people are using as a reason to be against the gesture. And if it wasn’t that it would be the next thing. Boring. We literally can’t win.
If somebody boos or disagrees, at least ask them what they disagree with
Would a black person boo players talking the knee? Hmmm........ maybe John Barnes and old Les.
I’ll let you know what the next plan is Nick and run it by you first.
For what it’s worth I don’t see an issue with it being associated with BLM and nobody I know does either. So there’s that.
But that’s the thing people are using as a reason to be against the gesture. And if it wasn’t that it would be the next thing. Boring. We literally can’t win.
I suppose it depends on whether they were Marxist or not.Would a black person boo players talking the knee?
Me: “What do you disagree with buddy?”
Bloke:
“The kneeling is supporting BLM and I don’t like BLM”
Me:
“Well actually it isn’t and has been stated many times that it isn’t, including from the Millwall playe-“
Bloke:
“BOOOOOOOOOOO”
I mean that’s how it’s gone down time and time again in this thread. So good luck in the terraces. And it’s not for me or people like me to educate people that don’t listen.
Which is it should have distanced from BLM way back months ago and just be "anti-discrimination"
10th September
So is 3 months ago not far enough back? How far in the future do we need to go to make early September far enough back to stop people booing?
The problem is, you've got the likes of the Daily Mail 'educating' readers that the BLM are a nasty organisation and for them the association is now ingrained (which is I believe what Nick was trying to explain).Me: “What do you disagree with buddy?”
Bloke:
“The kneeling is supporting BLM and I don’t like BLM”
Me:
“Well actually it isn’t and has been stated many times that it isn’t, including from the Millwall playe-“
Bloke:
“BOOOOOOOOOOO”
I mean that’s how it’s gone down time and time again in this thread. So good luck in the terraces. And it’s not for me or people like me to educate people that don’t listen.
The problem is, you've got the likes of the Daily Mail 'educating' readers that the BLM are a nasty organisation and for them the association is now ingrained (which is I believe what Nick was trying to explain).
Take a look at the tone of the headlines on virtually every BLM article on the Mail website - Black Lives Matter: News and Updates on Murder Investigation | Daily Mail Online and look at the votes on their article about the supposed political aims of BLM UK - Revealed: The avowed aims of the British arm of Black Lives Matter Yes, I know the articles are likely to be written to please the types of people who sign up to the Mail website, but those numbers are depressing. Sadly it seems some people will now have been brainwashed into believing BLM is bad and whether they're racist/ignorant/uneducated/easily led, some will boo players taking the knee.
I don't have an answer of how to solve it. Banning fans will make others more militant and defiant and more likely to boo. Stop the knee and it seems like the racists are winning.
The problem is, you've got the likes of the Daily Mail 'educating' readers that the BLM are a nasty organisation and for them the association is now ingrained (which is I believe what Nick was trying to explain).
Take a look at the tone of the headlines on virtually every BLM article on the Mail website - Black Lives Matter: News and Updates on Murder Investigation | Daily Mail Online and look at the votes on their article about the supposed political aims of BLM UK - Revealed: The avowed aims of the British arm of Black Lives Matter Yes, I know the articles are likely to be written to please the types of people who sign up to the Mail website, but those numbers are depressing. Sadly it seems some people will now have been brainwashed into believing BLM is bad and whether they're racist/ignorant/uneducated/easily led, some will boo players taking the knee.
I don't have an answer of how to solve it. Banning fans will make others more militant and defiant and more likely to boo. Stop the knee and it seems like the racists are winning.
My point was that it shouldn't have been a political thing brought into football when they did that with BLM.
An anti discrimination / racism message, of course but not something that had been going on with politics and then used by all "sides" and "parties" over the previous months then being brought into it.
Yeah but they did, can’t change that.
Now it’s not that.
So it should be about educating more and distancing from it as much as possible.
Everybody has had that drilled into them for months so a statement from players saying "It isn't BLM when we do something that originally was for BLM" and "We are blacklivesmatter.org but we are nothing to do with blacklivesmatter.com and blacklivesmatter.us" is just going to get the actual message blurred (which it shouldn't).
I’ll be honest Nick. I don’t think anything will make any difference and we are just going round in circles so I’m ducking out before I say something I regret.
Kick out were saying last year that we are going backward in this country, long before BLM and take the knee. Why have they been ignored?
Oh spot on re Millwall; racists and wankers (nice analogy btw!). but can that explain Colchester, Exeter and Cambridge? And this is only with season ticket holders watching.I don't think fans of clubs should be banned for booing, it's their right to boo if they want.
But when the support of a club with a history of racism do it don't be surprised when people call them racist for fucks sake. People rushing to defend them is bizarre.
It's like a teenage boy whose mum has caught him wanking on numerous occasions trying to insist that on this occasion the cum encrusted sock on the bedroom floor is nothing to do with him.
The saddest thing about this thread is the evident despair that Hill feels.
Thats what I mean and feel bad about droning on, because of politics from righties and lefties all jumping on for their own gain and push their own agendas. The actual "Stop Discrimination" is polluted with all the toxic shite.
How can a serious movement not also be about politics and still attempt to address to many facets of racism?
I am only droning on because I want it to make a difference and pointing out one of the reasons it isn't as much as it could. Same when I bang on about the Trust!!
Football can still educate and raise awareness massively without it being political like BLM.
Your idea of "making a difference" seems kind of similar to "not really doing very much" in practice though. (You still haven't told me I'm wrong about complaining about No Room For Racism)
"Okay guys, we have to have an awkward conversation about racism with some Millwall fans, but whatever you do, don't talk about socio-economic differences, policing, housing, patriotism/nationalism and the role that plays, anti-immigration rhetoric, **checks notes*** windrush too, don't mention any of that. Just talk about the easy-to-understand stuff; bad words you shouldn't use and make sure the person leading the conversation is white, because, you know, Millwall."
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