Match Thread Sunderland - Coventry City Match Thread - Tuesday 13th May (2 Viewers)

JimmyHillsbeard · May 17, 2025

Simpson said:
That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

But, as you say, it's the present that counts.

I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

Grendel · May 17, 2025

JimmyHillsbeard said:
I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

Norwich have more reason to be angry after the way we went then down

JimmyHillsbeard · May 17, 2025

Grendel said:
Norwich have more reason to be angry after the way we went then down

Absolutely. I remember Mick Channon on the radio in 1985 saying if it was a horse race it would have ended with a jockey club enquiry.

Warwickhunt · May 17, 2025

JimmyHillsbeard said:
I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

I remember that day as well! We played with a low block and got 2 break aways
Does that sound familiar Sunderland

. Only joking

MalcSB · May 17, 2025

Simpson said:
That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

But, as you say, it's the present that counts.

Given the kidk off was delayed because the Police requested it given late arrival of supporters, of course it was orchestrated before kick off. When else could it have happened? After the final whistle or half time? Pratt.

Gint11 · May 17, 2025

JimmyHillsbeard said:
I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

I wasn’t born until 1983 so It was before my time but my point has always been - they ignore the fact they didn’t win enough games over the season but blame their relegation SOLELY over the fact our game was delayed.

Mass enough points then it doesn’t matter.
It’s such a bullshit resentment from them.

A typical example where blame is cast externally rather than blaming themselves

MalcSB · May 17, 2025

Gint11 said:
I wasn’t born until 1983 so It was before my time but my point has always been - they ignore the fact they didn’t win enough games over the season but blame their relegation SOLELY over the fact our game was delayed.

Mass enough points then it doesn’t matter.
It’s such a bullshit resentment from them.

A typical example where blame is cast externally rather than blaming themselves

See quite a lot of that on here.

chiefdave · May 17, 2025

Simpson said:
That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

the thing that baffles me is that if they'd have won their own game it wouldn't have been an issue. surely thats where you look if you still want someone to blame decades later

Warwickhunt · May 17, 2025

Anybody been on the Scumberland fans forum yo say they have got tickets for the play off final!! They would ho apeshit as they cannot get enough tickets

Grendel · May 17, 2025

Gint11 said:
I wasn’t born until 1983 so It was before my time but my point has always been - they ignore the fact they didn’t win enough games over the season but blame their relegation SOLELY over the fact our game was delayed.

Mass enough points then it doesn’t matter.
It’s such a bullshit resentment from them.

A typical example where blame is cast externally rather than blaming themselves

I suppose Jimmy hill grinning with their manager in their dressing room and sharing champagne didn’t help.

Especially as their manager was his mate

shepardo01 · May 17, 2025

Warwickhunt said:
Anybody been on the Scumberland fans forum yo say they have got tickets for the play off final!! They would ho apeshit as they cannot get enough tickets

Yet Sheffield United can't sell all of theirs!!

djr8369 · May 17, 2025

Constantly seeing their goal on instagram and every time it grates me. Getting so much attention on football accounts and just feels like it should be us.

Sky_Blue_Daz · May 18, 2025

It was the most awkward header , sheer fluke

torchomatic · May 18, 2025

I've said before but although I had been going sice the end of 1972, this was the first match I really remember attending.

I was only 11 but even I thought the atmosphere and the way the teams were passing it was odd.

Don't know if I've made this bit up but also recollect being in a mixture of home and away fans.

Anyway, really can't see what the fuss was about. Sunderland went down because they weren't good enough over the whole season, nothing to do with us.

Sky_Blue_Daz · May 18, 2025

To be fair their Tifo display looked quality

Shannerz · May 18, 2025

Grendel said:
I suppose Jimmy hill grinning with their manager in their dressing room and sharing champagne didn’t help.

Especially as their manager was his mate

It didn't help Sunderland get enough points to stay up, certainly.

The post you've quoted is correct; it's an example of people finding a way to put the blame elsewhere when they fall short. They're hardly alone in that.

DazzleTommyDazzle · May 18, 2025

The other bit that gets ignored in talk about ‘77 is the games the week of the cup final.

This was a time when clubs had small squads and pretty much played the same 11 each week. There were rules that they had to field their strongest available sides.

Bristol City and West Ham were involved in the relegation fight and each played a cup finalist (Liverpool and Man Utd) on the Monday before the final.

The two finalists put out reserve teams and Bristol and West Ham unsurprisingly won games that they would otherwise have been expected to struggle in.

Without those results, the Bristol City game would have been an end of season non event for us.

Skyblueabo1111 · May 18, 2025

torchomatic said:
I've said before but although I had been going sice the end of 1972, this was the first match I really remember attending.

I was only 11 but even I thought the atmosphere and the way the teams were passing it was odd.

Don't know if I've made this bit up but also recollect being in a mixture of home and away fans.

Anyway, really can't see what the fuss was about. Sunderland went down because they weren't good enough over the whole season, nothing to do with us.

Without the scoreboard and delay, we would have lost.

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · May 18, 2025

Skyblueabo1111 said:
Without the scoreboard and delay, we would have lost.

I was there that day and the answer is NO.

Frostie · May 19, 2025

Sky_Blue_Daz said:
To be fair their Tifo display looked quality

Meh... Not overly impressed tbh. The whole 'Black Cats' thing is hilarious in itself. They didn't have a proper nickname so just made one up for themselves in the 2000s.

shmmeee · May 19, 2025

Frostie said:
Meh... Not overly impressed tbh. The whole 'Black Cats' thing is hilarious in itself. They didn't have a proper nickname so just made one up for themselves in the 2000s.

Got to admit it worked out when they score in the last minute and it has “To The End” plastered on all the footage.

Frostie · May 19, 2025

shmmeee said:
Got to admit it worked out when they score in the last minute and it has “To The End” plastered on all the footage.

Yep, that was certainly fitting! Almost willed it into existence.

Simpson · May 31, 2025

Frostie said:
Meh... Not overly impressed tbh. The whole 'Black Cats' thing is hilarious in itself. They didn't have a proper nickname so just made one up for themselves in the 2000s.

Wrong.

"Still, the image has long been associated with SAFC. For example in 1909 the Echo reported: “There has been a big demand for its black cat portrait, more having been disposed of than of all the players put together.”
Thousands went to Newcastle for that season’s FA Cup quarter-final festooned in black cat mascots."

On the other hand Coventry's nickname, Sky Blues, was entirely made up by Jimmy Hill who changed your club badge, the colours you play in and even the catchphrase 'Play Up' which Portsmouth had been using since the 1900's. He even took a song from a posh public school, changed the words a bit and told you to sing it which you still do.

Now that really is hilarious.

Ccfcisparks · May 31, 2025

Imagine your saturday afternoon and evening being spending all night reading a match thread, on another teams forum.

Unbelievable.

Sick Boy · May 31, 2025

Simpson said:
Wrong.

"Still, the image has long been associated with SAFC. For example in 1909 the Echo reported: “There has been a big demand for its black cat portrait, more having been disposed of than of all the players put together.”
Thousands went to Newcastle for that season’s FA Cup quarter-final festooned in black cat mascots."

On the other hand Coventry's nickname, Sky Blues, was entirely made up by Jimmy Hill who changed your club badge, the colours you play in and even the catchphrase 'Play Up' which Portsmouth had been using since the 1900's. He even took a song from a posh public school, changed the words a bit and told you to sing it which you still do.

Now that really is hilarious.

Yawn.

Simpson · May 31, 2025

Nice to meet some of you, not all, and good luck next season.

It'll be much tougher for us than you but that's football these days.

No reason you can't make the playoffs again and then who knows ...

... it's a lottery and our ball just happened to come out.

All the best.

Simpson · May 31, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
Imagine your saturday afternoon and evening being spending all night reading a match thread, on another teams forum.

Unbelievable.

Imagine going over to the Sunderland forum and reporting back on here as you've been doing ...

... unbelievable.

Ccfcisparks · May 31, 2025

Simpson said:
Imagine going over to the Sunderland forum and reporting back on here as you've been doing ...

... unbelievable.

I haven't been doing anything fella.

All i know is, if it had been us in your position last sunday, I'd have been pissed everyday since.

Simpson · May 31, 2025

Ccfcisparks said:
I haven't been doing anything fella.

All i know is, if it had been us in your position last sunday, I'd have been pissed everyday since.

I didn't mean you specifically.

I was in London from Friday til Monday, managed a few drinks.

Been travelling this evening so just skimmed through a few pages.

I'm happy to do that, there are some good posters on here ... a few idiots but which forum doesn't have them?

Frostie · May 31, 2025

Simpson said:
Wrong.

"Still, the image has long been associated with SAFC. For example in 1909 the Echo reported: “There has been a big demand for its black cat portrait, more having been disposed of than of all the players put together.”
Thousands went to Newcastle for that season’s FA Cup quarter-final festooned in black cat mascots."

On the other hand Coventry's nickname, Sky Blues, was entirely made up by Jimmy Hill who changed your club badge, the colours you play in and even the catchphrase 'Play Up' which Portsmouth had been using since the 1900's. He even took a song from a posh public school, changed the words a bit and told you to sing it which you still do.

Now that really is hilarious.

Everyone knows where our nickname comes from & it's significance to us, that's the whole point of a nickname.

There are dozens of conflicting stories about yours &, from the very article you have copied & pasted there:
"In fact nobody knows for sure why the team are called the Black Cats".
Either way, it hasn’t really worked. Sunderland supporters in everyday conversation tend not to refer to themselves as “Black Cats’ fans”? However, it’s a useful alternative name for journalists."

Simpson · May 31, 2025

Frostie said:
Everyone knows where our nickname comes from & it's significance to us, that's the whole point of a nickname.

There are dozens of conflicting stories about yours &, from the very article you have copied & pasted there:
"In fact nobody knows for sure why the team are called the Black Cats".
Either way, it hasn’t really worked. Sunderland supporters in everyday conversation tend not to refer to themselves as “Black Cats’ fans”? However, it’s a useful alternative name for journalists."

I was answering the poster who said it was made up in the 2000's, it wasn't.

This is from the 1930s ...

David O'Day · Jun 1, 2025

Simpson said:
I was answering the poster who said it was made up in the 2000's, it wasn't.

This is from the 1930s ...

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ffs, you still here? you won congrats

enjoy it and yeah see you in a season or 2

Simpson · Jun 1, 2025

David O'Day said:
ffs, you still here? you won congrats

enjoy it and yeah see you in a season or 2

Yes, there's always the FA Cup ....

...

#2,616

Nice to meet some of you, not all, and good luck next season.

eastwoodsdustman · Jun 2, 2025

Just seen that Bellingham has committed to sign for dortmund. Wheels are coming off before they have started.

Shannerz · Jun 2, 2025

Wasn't that what people said when Clarke left them?

All clubs that aren't Real Madrid and their ilk are selling clubs, it's how you reinvest.

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