Match Thread Sunderland - Coventry City Match Thread - Tuesday 13th May (19 Viewers)

[JimmyHillsbeard]

That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

But, as you say, it's the present that counts.

I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

 

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[Grendel]

I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

Norwich have more reason to be angry after the way we went then down

 

[JimmyHillsbeard]

Norwich have more reason to be angry after the way we went then down

Absolutely. I remember Mick Channon on the radio in 1985 saying if it was a horse race it would have ended with a jockey club enquiry.

 

[Warwickhunt]

I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

I remember that day as well! We played with a low block and got 2 break aways
Does that sound familiar Sunderland. Only joking

 

[MalcSB]

That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

But, as you say, it's the present that counts.

Given the kidk off was delayed because the Police requested it given late arrival of supporters, of course it was orchestrated before kick off. When else could it have happened? After the final whistle or half time? Pratt.

 

[Gint11]

I too was at the game in 1977. An orchestrated outcome wouldn’t have seen us go into a 2-0 lead or squander that lead before the Sunderland game ended.

Just like 1997 all Sunderland had to do was equal our result for their safety. I can understand why all those associated with Sunderland were pissed off about the delay and the last 15 mins of “play” but the people who bring up Tottenham delaying their kickoff in 1997 seem to blame us as well (and ignore the fact that Spurs really really tried to send us down that day)

And why have Sunderland fans never been angry with Bristol City for 1977 ?

I wasn’t born until 1983 so It was before my time but my point has always been - they ignore the fact they didn’t win enough games over the season but blame their relegation SOLELY over the fact our game was delayed.

Mass enough points then it doesn’t matter.
It’s such a bullshit resentment from them.

A typical example where blame is cast externally rather than blaming themselves

 

[MalcSB]

I wasn’t born until 1983 so It was before my time but my point has always been - they ignore the fact they didn’t win enough games over the season but blame their relegation SOLELY over the fact our game was delayed.

Mass enough points then it doesn’t matter.
It’s such a bullshit resentment from them.

A typical example where blame is cast externally rather than blaming themselves

See quite a lot of that on here.

 

[chiefdave]

That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

the thing that baffles me is that if they'd have won their own game it wouldn't have been an issue. surely thats where you look if you still want someone to blame decades later

 

[Warwickhunt]

Anybody been on the Scumberland fans forum yo say they have got tickets for the play off final!! They would ho apeshit as they cannot get enough tickets

 

[Grendel]

I wasn’t born until 1983 so It was before my time but my point has always been - they ignore the fact they didn’t win enough games over the season but blame their relegation SOLELY over the fact our game was delayed.

Mass enough points then it doesn’t matter.
It’s such a bullshit resentment from them.

A typical example where blame is cast externally rather than blaming themselves

I suppose Jimmy hill grinning with their manager in their dressing room and sharing champagne didn’t help.

Especially as their manager was his mate

 

[shepardo01]

Anybody been on the Scumberland fans forum yo say they have got tickets for the play off final!! They would ho apeshit as they cannot get enough tickets

Yet Sheffield United can't sell all of theirs!!

 

[djr8369]

Constantly seeing their goal on instagram and every time it grates me. Getting so much attention on football accounts and just feels like it should be us.

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

It was the most awkward header , sheer fluke

 

[torchomatic]

I've said before but although I had been going sice the end of 1972, this was the first match I really remember attending.

I was only 11 but even I thought the atmosphere and the way the teams were passing it was odd.

Don't know if I've made this bit up but also recollect being in a mixture of home and away fans.

Anyway, really can't see what the fuss was about. Sunderland went down because they weren't good enough over the whole season, nothing to do with us.

 

[Sky_Blue_Daz]

To be fair their Tifo display looked quality

 

[Shannerz]

I suppose Jimmy hill grinning with their manager in their dressing room and sharing champagne didn’t help.

Especially as their manager was his mate

It didn't help Sunderland get enough points to stay up, certainly.

The post you've quoted is correct; it's an example of people finding a way to put the blame elsewhere when they fall short. They're hardly alone in that.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

The other bit that gets ignored in talk about ‘77 is the games the week of the cup final.

This was a time when clubs had small squads and pretty much played the same 11 each week. There were rules that they had to field their strongest available sides.

Bristol City and West Ham were involved in the relegation fight and each played a cup finalist (Liverpool and Man Utd) on the Monday before the final.

The two finalists put out reserve teams and Bristol and West Ham unsurprisingly won games that they would otherwise have been expected to struggle in.

Without those results, the Bristol City game would have been an end of season non event for us.

 

[Skyblueabo1111]

I've said before but although I had been going sice the end of 1972, this was the first match I really remember attending.

I was only 11 but even I thought the atmosphere and the way the teams were passing it was odd.

Don't know if I've made this bit up but also recollect being in a mixture of home and away fans.

Anyway, really can't see what the fuss was about. Sunderland went down because they weren't good enough over the whole season, nothing to do with us.

Without the scoreboard and delay, we would have lost.

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

Without the scoreboard and delay, we would have lost.

I was there that day and the answer is NO.

 

[Frostie]

To be fair their Tifo display looked quality

Meh... Not overly impressed tbh. The whole 'Black Cats' thing is hilarious in itself. They didn't have a proper nickname so just made one up for themselves in the 2000s.

 

[shmmeee]

Meh... Not overly impressed tbh. The whole 'Black Cats' thing is hilarious in itself. They didn't have a proper nickname so just made one up for themselves in the 2000s.

Got to admit it worked out when they score in the last minute and it has “To The End” plastered on all the footage.

 

[Frostie]

Got to admit it worked out when they score in the last minute and it has “To The End” plastered on all the footage.

Yep, that was certainly fitting! Almost willed it into existence.

 

[Simpson]

Meh... Not overly impressed tbh. The whole 'Black Cats' thing is hilarious in itself. They didn't have a proper nickname so just made one up for themselves in the 2000s.

Wrong.

"Still, the image has long been associated with SAFC. For example in 1909 the Echo reported: “There has been a big demand for its black cat portrait, more having been disposed of than of all the players put together.”
Thousands went to Newcastle for that season’s FA Cup quarter-final festooned in black cat mascots."

On the other hand Coventry's nickname, Sky Blues, was entirely made up by Jimmy Hill who changed your club badge, the colours you play in and even the catchphrase 'Play Up' which Portsmouth had been using since the 1900's. He even took a song from a posh public school, changed the words a bit and told you to sing it which you still do.

Now that really is hilarious.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Imagine your saturday afternoon and evening being spending all night reading a match thread, on another teams forum.

Unbelievable.

 

[Sick Boy]

Wrong.

"Still, the image has long been associated with SAFC. For example in 1909 the Echo reported: “There has been a big demand for its black cat portrait, more having been disposed of than of all the players put together.”
Thousands went to Newcastle for that season’s FA Cup quarter-final festooned in black cat mascots."

On the other hand Coventry's nickname, Sky Blues, was entirely made up by Jimmy Hill who changed your club badge, the colours you play in and even the catchphrase 'Play Up' which Portsmouth had been using since the 1900's. He even took a song from a posh public school, changed the words a bit and told you to sing it which you still do.

Now that really is hilarious.

Yawn.

 

[Simpson]

Nice to meet some of you, not all, and good luck next season.

It'll be much tougher for us than you but that's football these days.

No reason you can't make the playoffs again and then who knows ...

... it's a lottery and our ball just happened to come out.

All the best.

 

[Simpson]

Imagine your saturday afternoon and evening being spending all night reading a match thread, on another teams forum.

Unbelievable.

Imagine going over to the Sunderland forum and reporting back on here as you've been doing ...

... unbelievable.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Imagine going over to the Sunderland forum and reporting back on here as you've been doing ...

... unbelievable.

I haven't been doing anything fella.

All i know is, if it had been us in your position last sunday, I'd have been pissed everyday since.

 

[Simpson]

I haven't been doing anything fella.

All i know is, if it had been us in your position last sunday, I'd have been pissed everyday since.

I didn't mean you specifically.

I was in London from Friday til Monday, managed a few drinks.

Been travelling this evening so just skimmed through a few pages.

I'm happy to do that, there are some good posters on here ... a few idiots but which forum doesn't have them?

 

[Frostie]

Wrong.

"Still, the image has long been associated with SAFC. For example in 1909 the Echo reported: “There has been a big demand for its black cat portrait, more having been disposed of than of all the players put together.”
Thousands went to Newcastle for that season’s FA Cup quarter-final festooned in black cat mascots."

On the other hand Coventry's nickname, Sky Blues, was entirely made up by Jimmy Hill who changed your club badge, the colours you play in and even the catchphrase 'Play Up' which Portsmouth had been using since the 1900's. He even took a song from a posh public school, changed the words a bit and told you to sing it which you still do.

Now that really is hilarious.

Everyone knows where our nickname comes from & it's significance to us, that's the whole point of a nickname.

There are dozens of conflicting stories about yours &, from the very article you have copied & pasted there:
"In fact nobody knows for sure why the team are called the Black Cats".
Either way, it hasn’t really worked. Sunderland supporters in everyday conversation tend not to refer to themselves as “Black Cats’ fans”? However, it’s a useful alternative name for journalists."

 

[Simpson]

Everyone knows where our nickname comes from & it's significance to us, that's the whole point of a nickname.

There are dozens of conflicting stories about yours &, from the very article you have copied & pasted there:
"In fact nobody knows for sure why the team are called the Black Cats".
Either way, it hasn’t really worked. Sunderland supporters in everyday conversation tend not to refer to themselves as “Black Cats’ fans”? However, it’s a useful alternative name for journalists."

I was answering the poster who said it was made up in the 2000's, it wasn't.

This is from the 1930s ...

 

[David O'Day]

I was answering the poster who said it was made up in the 2000's, it wasn't.

This is from the 1930s ...

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ffs, you still here? you won congrats

enjoy it and yeah see you in a season or 2

 

[Simpson]

ffs, you still here? you won congrats

enjoy it and yeah see you in a season or 2

Yes, there's always the FA Cup ....

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Nice to meet some of you, not all, and good luck next season.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Just seen that Bellingham has committed to sign for dortmund. Wheels are coming off before they have started.

 

[Shannerz]

Wasn't that what people said when Clarke left them?

All clubs that aren't Real Madrid and their ilk are selling clubs, it's how you reinvest.