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Match Thread Sunderland - Coventry City Match Thread - Tuesday 13th May (2 Viewers)

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shmmeee

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,556
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Ok, not looking for an argument but, who was Haji Wright supposed to be marking then?
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He was front post. This guy started about ten yard behind him. He was Kitching’s man.
 
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SBT

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,557
shmmeee said:
He was front post. This guy started about ten yard behind him. He was Kitching’s man.
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Watching the highlights back and there are multiple occasions when Kitching fails to deal with the threat, including their goal. I’m fine with keeping him, but I really think a better starting CB would do more for this team than any new LB, ST or even GK.
 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,558
shmmeee said:
He was front post. This guy started about ten yard behind him. He was Kitching’s man.
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Ok but you never answered my question, who was Haji Wright supposed to be marking?
 

shmmeee

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,559
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Ok but you never answered my question, who was Haji Wright supposed to be marking?
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He’s “marking” the front post zone like usual:

 
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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,560
shmmeee said:
He’s “marking” the front post zone like usual:

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Ok then, basically he's not marking anybody just fresh air.
 
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SkyBlueAussie

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,561
It's over, and we move on.
Only way, otherwise we dwell on something for years on end, like stupid Sunderland supporters.
And we ain't like that.
BTW, I was at that match in 77, it was roughly 12 minutes extra, and we did like any other team would do, especially Sunderland, and we played for time.
Hypocrites, the lot of them. Also, what a lot of people don't know, is that near the end of those 12 minutes or so, the scoreboard announced an error to the score, and we all thought it would say Sunderland had equalised, (it was announced as 1-0 to Everton originally), which would have meant we were down. Turned out they lost 2-0
Hutch got two, then we let in two soft goals. Nothing changes much I guess.
 
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shmmeee

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,562
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Ok then, basically he's not marking anybody just fresh air.
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Same as Sakamoto and several others. That’s how a partial zonal marking system works.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,563
Someone should have cut it out and kitchen should have marked his man
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,564
shmmeee said:
Same as Sakamoto and several others. That’s how a partial zonal marking system works.
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Obviously didn't work, oh for the days when Center Forwards like Dion Dublin and Mick Ferguson can defend against the opposition Center Halves.
 

clint van damme

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,565
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Ok then, basically he's not marking anybody just fresh air.
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In zonal you 'mark' a space or an area.
I don't like it but lots of teams do it.
I don't like the hybrid idea either
 

Simpson

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,566
SkyBlueAussie said:
It's over, and we move on.
Only way, otherwise we dwell on something for years on end, like stupid Sunderland supporters.
And we ain't like that.
BTW, I was at that match in 77, it was roughly 12 minutes extra, and we did like any other team would do, especially Sunderland, and we played for time.
Hypocrites, the lot of them. Also, what a lot of people don't know, is that near the end of those 12 minutes or so, the scoreboard announced an error to the score, and we all thought it would say Sunderland had equalised, (it was announced as 1-0 to Everton originally), which would have meant we were down. Turned out they lost 2-0
Hutch got two, then we let in two soft goals. Nothing changes much I guess.
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That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

But, as you say, it's the present that counts.
 

SkyBlueAussie

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,567
Simpson said:
That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

But, as you say, it's the present that counts.
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The train with Bristol City supporters was late, hence the delay. There was no intention.
 
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Rodders1

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,568
TomRad85 said:
Just a quick one to add and this seemed like the thread. I think Le Fee might be the most overhyped Championship signing of all time. Nice name though.
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Le overpriced Fee
 
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shepardo01

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  • May 15, 2025
  • #2,569
Rodders1 said:
Le overpriced Fee
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Sunderland paying him £67k p/w apparently.
 
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DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,570
Simpson said:
That wasn't the issue, it was the fact that it was orchestrated before the game kicked off.

But, as you say, it's the present that counts.
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“Orchestrated “???

Please explain.
 

Simpson

Active Member
  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,571
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
“Orchestrated “???

Please explain.
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Just my opinion, based on being around then, not worth going into it all tbh.
 
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Cov kid 55

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  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,572
Nuskyblue said:
Apparently he's a lovely bloke, he's just an about fucker once he steps over the white line.we could use some of that devilment ourselves!
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He played really well as well. Had Wright in his pocket, though that’s not saying much, unfortunately. Ballard was immense for them as well, won everything in the air. Having said that, they had very little else, and we should have buried them. Still wake up in the night and see that goal.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,573
Pezza said:
Wright was awful and he has been for weeks now. I actually think he is completely shot and has zero confidence. He looked slow, weak, no control, at times fell over with nobody near him... really bad. I'd also love to compare Sheaf and Grimes in terms of pass completion, I'd imagine it's laughable.
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Ben Sheaf pass completion was 81.6%

Matt Grimes was 80.1%

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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 16, 2025
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fernandopartridge said:
Ben Sheaf pass completion was 81.6%

Matt Grimes was 80.1%

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For context mind, Matt grimes did attempt 141 passes compared to Ben Sheafs 49 attempts.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,575
Sky Blue Goblin said:
For context mind, Matt grimes did attempt 141 passes compared to Ben Sheafs 49 attempts.
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He played 48 minutes more in the game and collects the ball from the centre backs
 
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Captain Dart

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  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,576
fernandopartridge said:
Ben Sheaf pass completion was 81.6%

Matt Grimes was 80.1%

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Grimes had nearly 3 times the number of touches as Sheaf though.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,577
Cov kid 55 said:
He played really well as well. Had Wright in his pocket, though that’s not saying much, unfortunately. Ballard was immense for them as well, won everything in the air. Having said that, they had very little else, and we should have buried them. Still wake up in the night and see that goal.
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He did, aided by the ref a little. When Haji did get the better of him, fairly IMO he got pulled up for a foul.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 16, 2025
  • #2,578
Captain Dart said:
Grimes had nearly 3 times the number of touches as Sheaf though.
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Not really relevant when the metric was about pass completion rates. Sheaf's was better, particularly with medium and long passing. In fact, probably fair to say that Grimes pass completion rate is distorted by him exchanging passes with Thomas and Kitching.

 

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wingy

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  • May 17, 2025
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Sky Blue Goblin said:
For context mind, Matt grimes did attempt 141 passes compared to Ben Sheafs 49 attempts.
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How many did Bobby Thomas attempt, not too many I think.
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,580
fernandopartridge said:
Not really relevant when the metric was about pass completion rates. Sheaf's was better, particularly with medium and long passing. In fact, probably fair to say that Grimes pass completion rate is distorted by him exchanging passes with Thomas and Kitching.

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Not sure in all honesty. As you can see Grimes had the highest progressive distance by quite some margin. 498 to 214.

Also attempted way more riskier passes with 24 long range attempted, compared to sheafs 5 and 62 medium passes to sheafs 14.

Even if you accommodate for his longer time on the pitch, and reduce it down to 72 so (pass/120 X 72), he still has higher figures accross the board by some distance (attempted would be 85 (rounded up) to sheafs 49).
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,581
wingy said:
How many did Bobby Thomas attempt, not too many I think.
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85 passes, second highest in the squad. Second highest progression distance. Flip side is forth lowest completion percentage at 78%
 
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wingy

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  • May 17, 2025
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Sky Blue Goblin said:
85 passes, second highest in the squad. Second highest progression distance. Flip side is forth lowest completion percentage at 78%
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He was trying to advance us early on didn't really come off though, but a couple were really good and should have come to something, it's actually one of the reasons I liked him from the start when he joined us.
 

covcity4life

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,583
clint van damme said:
There were a load in the Globe in London the other year, ( we were at QPR), this was after they'd beat us in the cup, and they were sound.
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Indeed the fact a Hollywood actor bought their club doesn't make their fanbase wankers
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 17, 2025
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wingy said:
He was trying to advance us early on didn't really come off though, but a couple were really good and should have come to something, it's actually one of the reasons I liked him from the start when he joined us.
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Yeah under the system, both CBs try and move us up the pitch. Part of the reason I’d rate darling here but looks Brum inbound.
 

TomRad85

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,585
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Yeah under the system, both CBs try and move us up the pitch. Part of the reason I’d rate darling here but looks Brum inbound.
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Everyone looks Brum bound according to clickbait. They are this seasons Stoke.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,586
TomRad85 said:
Everyone looks Brum bound according to clickbait. They are this seasons Stoke.
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Yeah, it’s going to be a long long window I think
 

fernandopartridge

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,587
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Not sure in all honesty. As you can see Grimes had the highest progressive distance by quite some margin. 498 to 214.

Also attempted way more riskier passes with 24 long range attempted, compared to sheafs 5 and 62 medium passes to sheafs 14.

Even if you accommodate for his longer time on the pitch, and reduce it down to 72 so (pass/120 X 72), he still has higher figures accross the board by some distance (attempted would be 85 (rounded up) to sheafs 49).
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Great, I've already said why that is.
 

TomRad85

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,588
Sky Blue Goblin said:
Yeah, it’s going to be a long long window I think
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Even the Poku deal doesn't seem as done as many articles suggest. It seems to come mainly from Fry who probably thinks Birmingham will chuck them more money than most before going to tribunal.
Seems his agent doesn't fancy Brum to challenge for promotion from what I last read and he's also being hawked about to foreign leagues.
 

Captain Dart

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,589
wingy said:
How many did Bobby Thomas attempt, not too many I think.
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Around 100 but mostly easy stuff.
 

MalcSB

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  • May 17, 2025
  • #2,590
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Ok then, basically he's not marking anybody just fresh air.
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Zonal
 
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