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MalcSB

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  • Saturday at 3:54 PM
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Starmer has ‘lost control of borders’ after record small-boat crossings

Over 650 migrants reach UK via Channel on Saturday, taking this year’s total to more than 8,000
www.telegraph.co.uk
 

Evo1883

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  • Saturday at 3:57 PM
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MalcSB said:

Starmer has ‘lost control of borders’ after record small-boat crossings

Over 650 migrants reach UK via Channel on Saturday, taking this year’s total to more than 8,000
www.telegraph.co.uk
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In 2022 , 46,000 came over
 
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Northants Sky Blue

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  • Saturday at 4:06 PM
  • #3
Settle down Evo, lets not start bringing facts into the conversation
 

shmmeee

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  • Saturday at 5:01 PM
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Meanwhile back in reality

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Saturday at 5:12 PM
  • #5
If I was in power none would come on boats
 
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MalcSB

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  • Saturday at 5:26 PM
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Evo1883 said:
In 2022 , 46,000 came over
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In a whole year.

We have the best crossing weather to come, don’t we?
 
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PVA

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  • Saturday at 5:27 PM
  • #7
The key part of that article:

Starmer has lost control of the borders the Tories have said.
 

MalcSB

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  • Saturday at 5:28 PM
  • #8
Northants Sky Blue said:
Settle down Evo, lets not start bringing facts into the conversation
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Premature facts at that.
 

Evo1883

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  • Saturday at 5:29 PM
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MalcSB said:
Premature facts at that.
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Weve just had a tremendous spring , the weather has been fine to cross
 

MalcSB

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  • Saturday at 5:31 PM
  • #10

Is there a £22bn ‘black hole’ in the UK’s public finances?

Economists say the state of public finances should not have come as a complete surprise to the new government.
www.bbc.co.uk

PVA said:
The key part of that article:

Starmer has lost control of the borders the Tories have said.
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Is there a £22bn ‘black hole’ in the UK’s public finances?

Economists say the state of public finances should not have come as a complete surprise to the new government.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Captain Dart

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  • Saturday at 6:47 PM
  • #11
It's legal immigration where most of those numbers come from.
 

Grendel

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  • Saturday at 7:15 PM
  • #12
shmmeee said:
Meanwhile back in reality

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Which has zero to do with the point of the article
 

Captain Dart

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  • Saturday at 7:32 PM
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shmmeee said:
Meanwhile back in reality

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One day maybe you'll take the Labour can do no wrong glasses off but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Saturday at 9:24 PM
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Captain Dart said:
One day maybe you'll take the Labour can do no wrong glasses off but I'm not holding my breath.
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And maybe one day you'll take the Labour can do no right glasses off but I'm not holding my breath.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Yesterday at 9:11 AM
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Captain Dart said:
One day maybe you'll take the Labour can do no wrong glasses off but I'm not holding my breath.
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I literally posted a statistic. If you thing the statistics are good for Labour what does that suggest?

Fuck me if brains were dynamite….
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 9:12 AM
  • #16
Evo1883 said:
In 2022 , 46,000 came over
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It seems that the summer sees far more crossings - 1,200 on Saturday alone so it’s likely to be similar this year

Starmers new relationship with France is doing nothing - the police just stood and watched the boats leave
 

Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 9:13 AM
  • #17
shmmeee said:
I literally posted a statistic. If you thing the statistics are good for Labour what does that suggest?

Fuck me if brains were dynamite….
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It’s a statistic with nothing to do with the topic

You will be telling us about breakfast clubs soon
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 10:22 AM
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If they're all counted and accounted for, what is the problem?
 

ccfc922

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  • Yesterday at 10:23 AM
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What I always find interesting to see, is how casual and relaxed they are once ashore in the UK. Almost like it's an arranged trip and know what to expect.
 
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Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 10:30 AM
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fernandopartridge said:
If they're all counted and accounted for, what is the problem?
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Starmer created his own problem with his smash the gangs and stop the boats rhetoric.
 
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SBT

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  • Yesterday at 10:38 AM
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ccfc922 said:
What I always find interesting to see, is how casual and relaxed they are once ashore in the UK. Almost like it's an arranged trip and know what to expect.
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This is hardly surprising - if I was crossing the Channel in a dinghy then I’d probably do some research too.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Yesterday at 11:00 AM
  • #22
I was out on a boat and saw some being taken to shore off the coast of Lampedusa by rescue boats. The idea that it’s all a laugh for them is just nonsense.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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  • Yesterday at 12:07 PM
  • #23
Apparently the new tactic is for the boat to arrive already in the water and they then get on. The French wont stop the boat already in the sea but will if its being dragged across the shore.
Either way the gangs don't seem to be getting smashed at the minute.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 12:16 PM
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ccfc922 said:
What I always find interesting to see, is how casual and relaxed they are once ashore in the UK. Almost like it's an arranged trip and know what to expect.
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TBF if I was sailing across the sea on a rubber dinghy, I'd feel significantly more relaxed once I'd reached dry land as well
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Yesterday at 4:10 PM
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shmmeee said:
Meanwhile back in reality

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Which has nothing to do with anything this government has done since they won power. It’s Tory policy that’s a driver for this decrease.

It’s not really a cause for celebration, a net migration the size of Coventry year on year is scarcely sustainable.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Yesterday at 4:17 PM
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fernandopartridge said:
If they're all counted and accounted for, what is the problem?
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Well, the ever increasing costs associated with housing these people. In the longer term, the increased welfare bill that comes as soon as indefinite leave to remain is granted.

Particularly given the government scrambles around save £5bn by scrapping winter fuel allowances.
 
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Grendel

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  • Yesterday at 4:18 PM
  • #27
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Well, the ever increasing costs associated with housing these people. In the longer term, the increased welfare bill that comes as soon as indefinite leave to remain is granted.

Particularly given the government scrambles around save £5bn by scrapping winter fuel allowances.
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As well as spending billions on extra defence spending
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Yesterday at 5:23 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
Well, the ever increasing costs associated with housing these people. In the longer term, the increased welfare bill that comes as soon as indefinite leave to remain is granted.

Particularly given the government scrambles around save £5bn by scrapping winter fuel allowances.
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If they're not here legally they'll be deported. Asylum seekers aren't entitled to welfare in the same way UK nationals or those with settled status are.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Yesterday at 5:45 PM
  • #29
Mucca Mad Boys said:
It’s Tory policy that’s a driver for this decrease.
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So.. does that mean that the title thread should read Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak lost control of the borders?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Yesterday at 6:06 PM
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fernandopartridge said:
If they're not here legally they'll be deported. Asylum seekers aren't entitled to welfare in the same way UK nationals or those with settled status are.
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That simply isn’t the reality. Generally speaking, if you make it to the UK mainland, legally or illegally, you will remain.

In practice, the system is so broken, around 70-80% of people asylum applicants are granted. In the 2000s, this was around 5%. At this point, the 5 year timer for indefinite leave to remain begins where you can remain, work and have access to benefits.

The governments own figures shown that the monthly benefits bill from households with one foreign national has doubled from 2022 (£461m) to 2025 (£941m). With gross migration being 1 million people in 2022, 2023 and 2024… this figure will only increase from 2027. That is clearly not sustainable.

The raising costs are catching up to the state.

skybluetony176 said:
So.. does that mean that the title thread should read Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak lost control of the borders?
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I’d go back as far as Blair as well. Keir Starmer’s government is a continuation of a failed status quo, but he’s blundered into scrapping the Rwanda plan without a credible alternative. Just as the EU countries, namely Germany, are moving forwards with third country processing of refugees.

Border control is not a left versus right issue. Denmark’s SDP government has some of the EUs most robust immigration, asylum and integration policies.

If the governments from 2021-2025 did what they promised on immigration, Reform wouldn’t be polling at 30+ per cent.
 

MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 6:08 PM
  • #31
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
And maybe one day you'll take the Labour can do no right glasses off but I'm not holding my breath.
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It's odd really, I feel exactly the same about you and some others on here in terms of the parties further to the right.

People have a right to hold a view which is entirely different to yours without it being put down by brain washed reflex.

TBF I haven’t come out with contradictory statements, only one organisation to blame for this, whatever spectacles one might want to wear.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Yesterday at 6:13 PM
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Mucca Mad Boys said:
In practice, the system is so broken, around 70-80%
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That’s fell under Labour to around 41% you’ll be pleased to hear. They’re also processing them faster than the Tories ever did so they’re being sent back quicker than ever. Just a shame we’re no longer part of the Dublin agreement, it no coincidence that the number of boats crossing went up so sharply the moment we left that agreement.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Yesterday at 6:17 PM
  • #33
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Rwanda plan without a credible alternative
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Ahhh, that’s cute. You actually believe that Rwanda was a credible plan. Labours plan was far more effective. Just simply process them. Hence the successful reduction in approvals and why they’ve returned more home in their first 6 months than would have been sent to Rwanda in 100 years at the rate the Tories were suggesting.
 

MalcSB

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  • Yesterday at 6:40 PM
  • #34

Starmer’s defence strategy in disarray

Defence Secretary backtracks as he says 3pc target only an ‘ambition’
www.telegraph.co.uk

Who is to blame for this shit storm?
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Yesterday at 6:42 PM
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skybluetony176 said:
Ahhh, that’s cute. You actually believe that Rwanda was a credible plan. Labours plan was far more effective. Just simply process them. Hence the successful reduction in approvals and why they’ve returned more home in their first 6 months than would have been sent to Rwanda in 100 years at the rate the Tories were suggesting.
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Why is Starmer looking to process asylum applications in ‘return hubs’? It is effectively a U-turn on scrapping the Rwanda plan.

If you mean ‘just simply process them’ the idea is to approve the asylum claims, this isn’t deterring illegal migration or actually dealing with this issue.

Looking at data here (link below), some of your claims don’t seem to add up:
- small boat crossings are up
- 15% asylum claims are up
- successful appeals up 29% from 2010
- only 6.3k people have been deported

So whilst rejected asylum claims is a ‘win’ you are celebrating, the amount of appeals and successful appeals mean these people will remain in the country until a final decision is reached. In the event asylum tribunals uphold the rejected verdict, the likelihood these people are actually removed is slim.

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/stay-informed/explainers/top-facts-from-the-latest-statistics-on-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/
 
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