Starmer lost control of borders (2 Viewers)

shmmeee

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Meanwhile back in reality

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MalcSB

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The key part of that article:

Starmer has lost control of the borders the Tories have said.

 

Captain Dart

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It's legal immigration where most of those numbers come from.
 

Grendel

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shmmeee

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One day maybe you'll take the Labour can do no wrong glasses off but I'm not holding my breath.🤓

I literally posted a statistic. If you thing the statistics are good for Labour what does that suggest?

Fuck me if brains were dynamite….
 

Grendel

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In 2022 , 46,000 came over

It seems that the summer sees far more crossings - 1,200 on Saturday alone so it’s likely to be similar this year

Starmers new relationship with France is doing nothing - the police just stood and watched the boats leave
 

Grendel

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I literally posted a statistic. If you thing the statistics are good for Labour what does that suggest?

Fuck me if brains were dynamite….

It’s a statistic with nothing to do with the topic

You will be telling us about breakfast clubs soon
 

Grendel

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SBT

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What I always find interesting to see, is how casual and relaxed they are once ashore in the UK. Almost like it's an arranged trip and know what to expect.
This is hardly surprising - if I was crossing the Channel in a dinghy then I’d probably do some research too.
 

Sick Boy

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I was out on a boat and saw some being taken to shore off the coast of Lampedusa by rescue boats. The idea that it’s all a laugh for them is just nonsense.
 

eastwoodsdustman

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Apparently the new tactic is for the boat to arrive already in the water and they then get on. The French wont stop the boat already in the sea but will if its being dragged across the shore.
Either way the gangs don't seem to be getting smashed at the minute.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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If they're all counted and accounted for, what is the problem?

Well, the ever increasing costs associated with housing these people. In the longer term, the increased welfare bill that comes as soon as indefinite leave to remain is granted.

Particularly given the government scrambles around save £5bn by scrapping winter fuel allowances.
 

Grendel

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Well, the ever increasing costs associated with housing these people. In the longer term, the increased welfare bill that comes as soon as indefinite leave to remain is granted.

Particularly given the government scrambles around save £5bn by scrapping winter fuel allowances.

As well as spending billions on extra defence spending
 

fernandopartridge

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Well, the ever increasing costs associated with housing these people. In the longer term, the increased welfare bill that comes as soon as indefinite leave to remain is granted.

Particularly given the government scrambles around save £5bn by scrapping winter fuel allowances.
If they're not here legally they'll be deported. Asylum seekers aren't entitled to welfare in the same way UK nationals or those with settled status are.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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If they're not here legally they'll be deported. Asylum seekers aren't entitled to welfare in the same way UK nationals or those with settled status are.

That simply isn’t the reality. Generally speaking, if you make it to the UK mainland, legally or illegally, you will remain.

In practice, the system is so broken, around 70-80% of people asylum applicants are granted. In the 2000s, this was around 5%. At this point, the 5 year timer for indefinite leave to remain begins where you can remain, work and have access to benefits.

The governments own figures shown that the monthly benefits bill from households with one foreign national has doubled from 2022 (£461m) to 2025 (£941m). With gross migration being 1 million people in 2022, 2023 and 2024… this figure will only increase from 2027. That is clearly not sustainable.

The raising costs are catching up to the state.

So.. does that mean that the title thread should read Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak lost control of the borders?

I’d go back as far as Blair as well. Keir Starmer’s government is a continuation of a failed status quo, but he’s blundered into scrapping the Rwanda plan without a credible alternative. Just as the EU countries, namely Germany, are moving forwards with third country processing of refugees.

Border control is not a left versus right issue. Denmark’s SDP government has some of the EUs most robust immigration, asylum and integration policies.

If the governments from 2021-2025 did what they promised on immigration, Reform wouldn’t be polling at 30+ per cent.
 

MalcSB

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And maybe one day you'll take the Labour can do no right glasses off but I'm not holding my breath.
It's odd really, I feel exactly the same about you and some others on here in terms of the parties further to the right.

People have a right to hold a view which is entirely different to yours without it being put down by brain washed reflex.

TBF I haven’t come out with contradictory statements, only one organisation to blame for this, whatever spectacles one might want to wear.
 

skybluetony176

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In practice, the system is so broken, around 70-80%
That’s fell under Labour to around 41% you’ll be pleased to hear. They’re also processing them faster than the Tories ever did so they’re being sent back quicker than ever. Just a shame we’re no longer part of the Dublin agreement, it no coincidence that the number of boats crossing went up so sharply the moment we left that agreement.
 

skybluetony176

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Rwanda plan without a credible alternative
Ahhh, that’s cute. You actually believe that Rwanda was a credible plan. Labours plan was far more effective. Just simply process them. Hence the successful reduction in approvals and why they’ve returned more home in their first 6 months than would have been sent to Rwanda in 100 years at the rate the Tories were suggesting.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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Ahhh, that’s cute. You actually believe that Rwanda was a credible plan. Labours plan was far more effective. Just simply process them. Hence the successful reduction in approvals and why they’ve returned more home in their first 6 months than would have been sent to Rwanda in 100 years at the rate the Tories were suggesting.

Why is Starmer looking to process asylum applications in ‘return hubs’? It is effectively a U-turn on scrapping the Rwanda plan.

If you mean ‘just simply process them’ the idea is to approve the asylum claims, this isn’t deterring illegal migration or actually dealing with this issue.

Looking at data here (link below), some of your claims don’t seem to add up:
- small boat crossings are up
- 15% asylum claims are up
- successful appeals up 29% from 2010
- only 6.3k people have been deported

So whilst rejected asylum claims is a ‘win’ you are celebrating, the amount of appeals and successful appeals mean these people will remain in the country until a final decision is reached. In the event asylum tribunals uphold the rejected verdict, the likelihood these people are actually removed is slim.

 

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