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  • Start date Oct 2, 2013
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italiahorse

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  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #141
Godiva said:
Some of that can be profit from selling of land and leases.
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But you are assuming buying land at green belt prices and selling at development prices. It aint gonna happen.
In addition the assumption is that the stadium will attract business like the Ricoh, however demand will be minimal for a league 1 stadium out of town.
Its not going to happen..
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #142
Since when did "economic sense", mean anything to Shitzu? We all know that if and when they build this imaginary stadium, Coventry City FC(or any other name) will not not own it. They will merely be tenants in the same way as they were at the Ricoh.
 
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Godiva

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  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #143
italiahorse said:
But you are assuming buying land at green belt prices and selling at development prices. It aint gonna happen.
In addition the assumption is that the stadium will attract business like the Ricoh, however demand will be minimal for a league 1 stadium out of town.
Its not going to happen..
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Say just for the argument that Otium bought a large chunk of land and only used 1/3 for the actual stadium.
Would it be unthinkable that someone would buy a long lease from Otium to set up a business?
And would it be unthinkable they would pay a lot more than Otium paid for that piece of land?
 
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Tonylinc

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  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #144
Godiva said:
Say just for the argument that Otium bought a large chunk of land and only used 1/3 for the actual stadium.
Would it be unthinkable that someone would buy a long lease from Otium to set up a business?
And would it be unthinkable they would pay a lot more than Otium paid for that piece of land?
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All that is totally dependant upon exactly where this imaginary piece of land is.
 
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Godiva

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  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #145
Tonylinc said:
Since when did "economic sense", mean anything to Shitzu? We all know that if and when they build this imaginary stadium, Coventry City FC(or any other name) will not not own it. They will merely be tenants in the same way as they were at the Ricoh.
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I think about 10 different posters have said the only sensible solution would be to have stadium and club under the same umbrella - in the same group. You might even have noticed that Les Reid said it in his response to skyblusquirrels blog change.
So if Otium is 'the club' and Holdings own the stadium (to minimize risk) then the club and stadium will be in the same group - owned by the same owners. It will NOT be the same as being tenants at the Ricoh!
 
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Godiva

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  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #146
Tonylinc said:
All that is totally dependant upon exactly where this imaginary piece of land is.
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Of course. And also the plans for the other businesses. It's a synergy where each add much more value to the complex than they would hold on their own.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #147
Rich said:
I'm sorry but Queen changed the course of Music with one Song. They then went on to produce albums of the stuff that did influence many bands that are in existance today.
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just needed to wade in on this debate as both a queen fan and a joy division fan.

queen is one of them bands where every member was truly talented and if all members had never met and started 4 separate bands each band would have been huge in their own right, you can say the same about joy division. the lead singer of queen died tragically young when he still had a lot left to give, you can say the same about joy division. joy division may not have been as commercially successful as queen but they were a huge influence on a large number of extremely commercially successful bands and their DNA runs in a number of hugely commercially successful bands, U2 for 1 and there haven't been many bigger than them in terms of sales and stadium sell outs.

back on topic, sisu out.
 
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Gary.j

New Member
  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #148
I have to confess; I really like Marillion (well, post-fish Marillion). Seasons End is one of my all time favourite albums, here's one that may be apt for some posters on here; she's got her "hooks in you".
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDNYrPlCiT4&desktop_uri=/watch?v=NDNYrPlCiT4

I'd also take JD over Queen, but that's the old punk (and John Peel influence) in me!
 
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RPHunt

New Member
  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #149
Tonylinc said:
All that is totally dependant upon exactly where this imaginary piece of land is.
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An imaginary piece of land that has remained invisible to the many property developers who specialise in identifying such opportunities - sound like a place in a children's story.
 

Skybluepiglet

New Member
  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #150
I mention Queen and the whole thread erupts whilst I'm at work.

By the way..I know the song "Is called I want it all"..I was being ironic by quoting "days of our lives".

Queen ..fantastic band..sheer heart attack is a masterpiece...to say they just a singles band is just plain wrong.

Now I have to confess I like Marillion aswell :slap:
If you've never heard Clutching @ Straws..you really should

My current fave are Dream Theater ..if you think Queen was pompous...check Dream Theater Out..as musicians they could be likened to footballers.... they have Messi, Peli , Van Persie and Carl Baker in their ranks for sure.

How come the mighty Zeppelin didn't get a mention :thinking about:

Joy Division not for me ..but Siouxsie and the Banshees, Buzzcocks,Penetration , X Ray Spex all mighty fine.

Oh Yeah SISU OUT
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #151
Please no not like the Keepmoat what a horrible ground hated it when I went there got to be the worst new ground bar none.
 
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georgehudson

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  • Oct 3, 2013
  • #152
& just to throw a spanner in the works;
Caravan - A Place Of My Own,
PUSB & the megalomaniacs out
 

Skybluepiglet

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #153
georgehudson said:
& just to throw a spanner in the works;
Caravan - A Place Of My Own,
PUSB & the megalomaniacs out
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My fave Caravan track is "The Dog, Hes at it again.

Is the Megolomaniacs reference a Black Sabbath one ?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #154
Skybluepiglet said:
My fave Caravan track is "The Dog, Hes at it again.

Is the Megolomaniacs reference a Black Sabbath one ?
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Sabotage - now there's a rock album.
 

Skybluepiglet

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #155
Letsallsingtogether said:
Please no not like the Keepmoat what a horrible ground hated it when I went there got to be the worst new ground bar none
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People In Doncaster seem to like it....Amazingly Doncaster Rovers are able to play football matches there aswell which is a bonus for sure!!
 
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Skybluepiglet

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #156
Grendel likes Marillion aswell...it's not just me .
 
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Gary.j

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #157
Oh yes, Petrucci can play. The punk thing wiped all those 70's stadium rockers/prog rockers of the map afaiac, but I do like later proggy bands such as It Bites and (it Bites/Marillion side project) Kino. And Dio-era Sabbath, I think Die Young was their finest moment!
 

Paxman II

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #158
OK then I'll wade in...

Joy Division I used to promote in my DJ'ing days and it all began on Student Nights in Loughborough. talented and surrounded in stories. Now Queen on the other hand were a world wide phenomenon and while they had lots of commercial success they owed it to Freddie without doubt one of the most gifted talents. Did I like either of these bands? Actually not particularly, just liked some of their stuff. Like Queen or not they were outstanding.
A band I liked back before Queen really was 10cc Another talented lot who went on having more success in other guises (Godley and Cream etc)
 

YamYam

New Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #159
hill83 said:
Nothing shows your reader how serious you are better than five or six exclamation marks at the end of a sentence.
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I agree !!!!!! and !
 
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Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #160
Skybluepiglet said:
I mention Queen and the whole thread erupts whilst I'm at work.

By the way..I know the song "Is called I want it all"..I was being ironic by quoting "days of our lives".

Queen ..fantastic band..sheer heart attack is a masterpiece...to say they just a singles band is just plain wrong.

Now I have to confess I like Marillion aswell :slap:
If you've never heard Clutching @ Straws..you really should

My current fave are Dream Theater ..if you think Queen was pompous...check Dream Theater Out..as musicians they could be likened to footballers.... they have Messi, Peli , Van Persie and Carl Baker in their ranks for sure.

How come the mighty Zeppelin didn't get a mention :thinking about:

Joy Division not for me ..but Siouxsie and the Banshees, Buzzcocks,Penetration , X Ray Spex all mighty fine.

Oh Yeah SISU OUT
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Forgot about Xray Spex. Talking of Buzzcocks, always been big fan of Magazine - very influential for the post punk era. Always played on Gideon Coe's show on 6music. Psychodelic FUrs were on his show in concert from 1985 - fantastic (saw them at Hammersmith Odeon in 87 - same day as we beat Stoke in the 5th round of the cup)

Ooh -Sisu out bhy the way!
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #161
KG7 said:
There's 1 Queen song that I like and that's Too Much Love Will Kill You. It's the only one of their songs that has an emotional truth to it, although even that cranks up a bit on the chorus. They went for showmanship and commercialism over expression and artistic merit. On the contrary, emotional truth and expression seep out of every Joy Division song. Sometimes they're too much for me but I would always choose them over Queen, and would never ever put a Queen track on out of choice - they make my stomach turn.

Whilst the fact about each member of the band having four number one hits is impressive (in a sense), to me it says more about them understanding the mechanics of what makes a song a commercial success rather than what makes a song good.
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Too Much Love was a composition by Brian and two others (non Queen) which wasn't written about Freddie despite the apparent links and was intended for the Miracle album. There can't be much doubt that the success of Queen was down in no small part to Freddie being the showman that he was. I was first introduced to them watching Live Aid (on a telly that now seems like the size of a postage stamp) and I was mesmerised they were so smooth polished and had the attention of the entire crowd. Of course I didn't know at the time they were the only ones* who had bothered to rehearse beforehand, so of course it was going to look better than those who hadn't.

For me Innuendo, the Miracle and Princes of the Universe are three of my favourite tracks followed by Seven Seas of Rye and the Highlander version of A Kind of Magic. Barcelona is the best non Queen piece Freddie did and I have both the original album and the orchestral one that Jim Beach organised that was just released.
 
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James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #162
Godiva said:
Say just for the argument that Otium bought a large chunk of land and only used 1/3 for the actual stadium.
Would it be unthinkable that someone would buy a long lease from Otium to set up a business?
And would it be unthinkable they would pay a lot more than Otium paid for that piece of land?
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No it wouldn't to all of that, it's how the Ricoh was part funded after all.
 

skybluelee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #163
James Smith said:
Too Much Love was a composition by Brian and two others (non Queen) which wasn't written about Freddie despite the apparent links and was intended for the Miracle album. There can't be much doubt that the success of Queen was down in no small part to Freddie being the showman that he was. I was first introduced to them watching Live Aid (on a telly that now seems like the size of a postage stamp) and I was mesmerised they were so smooth polished and had the attention of the entire crowd. Of course I didn't know at the time they were the only ones* who had bothered to rehearse beforehand, so of course it was going to look better than those who hadn't.

For me Innuendo, the Miracle and Princes of the Universe are three of my favourite tracks followed by Seven Seas of Rye and the Highlander version of A Kind of Magic. Barcelona is the best non Queen piece Freddie did and I have both the original album and the orchestral one that Jim Beach organised that was just released.
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Innuendo will always remain my favourite Queen track. Despite getting to number 1 I still feel it is underrated. Remember hearing it for the first time, aged 14, and being utterly spellbound by it.
 

davebart

Active Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #164
Does this thread demonstrate that Coventrians are naturally schizophrenic? Two entirely different topics merging into one.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #165
davebart said:
Does this thread demonstrate that Coventrians are naturally schizophrenic? Two entirely different topics merging into one.
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I used to love Topics

 

skybluelee

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #166
hill83 said:
I used to love Topics

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How do they differ from 'picnics'?
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #167
skybluelee said:
Innuendo will always remain my favourite Queen track. Despite getting to number 1 I still feel it is underrated. Remember hearing it for the first time, aged 14, and being utterly spellbound by it.
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Come on "The show must go on", is surely the best track on that album.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #168
Tonylinc said:
Come on "The show must go on", is surely the best track on that album.
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The best track has to be the shortest surely? Dreadful pseudo rock at its worst.
 

skybluelee

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  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #169
Tonylinc said:
Come on "The show must go on", is surely the best track on that album.
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Great track. And very poignant.
 
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Tonylinc

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  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #170
Grendel said:
The best track has to be the shortest surely? Dreadful pseudo rock at its worst.
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A very good evening to you Grendel. Spoiling for a fight? Sorry, not able to engage this evening.
 
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Tonylinc

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  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #171
skybluelee said:
Great track. And very poignant.
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I agree BTW how is Weymouth these days? Used to spend a lot of time there when I lived in Yeovil (1982-88)
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #172
Tonylinc said:
A very good evening to you Grendel. Spoiling for a fight? Sorry, not able to engage this evening.
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I never understood the appeal. "Rockfolk" always laughed at them. The real diehard fans always struck me as a bit wierd as well - cultish - similar to fans of Barry Manillow or Cliff.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #173
skybluelee said:
How do they differ from 'picnics'?
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In a picnic you get squirrel shit in every bite, in topics, people just go off thread all the time :thinking about:
 
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Tonylinc

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #174
Not biting mate. All I will say is that they had a great drummer, possibly the best guitarist of his generation and the best front man of all time. Anyone laughing at them must have been idiots.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2013
  • #175
Tonylinc said:
Not biting mate. All I will say is that they had a great drummer, possibly the best guitarist of his generation and the best front man of all time. Anyone laughing at them must have been idiots.
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Tony............very nearly biting mate. Careful, or Grendel will reel you in................!!!
 
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