a political prisoner
Doesn’t stop you and me having empathy for the kidShe’s 11, she’ll live. We can’t have a separate legal system for parents. Parents are supposed to be more responsible because they’ve got children. I imagine if she spent less time hyping up her case as some great miscarriage of justice and more atoning for her sins I suspect the judges might feel a little more lenient.
Read the transcript she wasn’t badly advisedPrecisely.
There's many on here that would be up in arms in someone being made a political prisoner for their views, and being exploited by the criminal justice system by being tricked into pleading guilty, if their views aligned.
This same judge that dismissed the case today by saying there were no grounds for early release was the same judge who released Lord Ahmed for attempt of rape early. Which crime is worse?
Yes, her tweet was shit, but there isn't a soul in the world that can argue that this makes sense and take the moral high ground without coming across as a total hypocrite and bellend.
Again understand the law and don’t break itIs it a bit stupid? Yes.
However, anyone in this current day and age that thinks this is worth 31 months in prison frankly shouldn't be permitted to vote.
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Given the shock at the recent local election results, I would add that most of you do not reflect the opinion of the majority of the country with your outrage about this case.
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You make a good pointThe snowflakes fawning over this woman on here is hilarious. A) she did the crime B) she didn’t even get the maximum sentence and C) her appeal was based on her playing the victim. If you can’t do the time…
I don’t see the same people (or anyone else for that matter) fawning over Roger Hallam who got 5 years for organising a protest. Wrong cause obviously. Incite people to riot and burn down hotels containing people including thousands of children = fine/miscarriage of justice/the perpetrator is the real victim vs incite people to peaceful protest against the biggest threat to mankind that inconvenienced some people for a day = keep quiet/say nothing. If you want to discuss a 2 tier justice system…
The snowflake right needs to give their heads a wobble.
Not being in power any more seems to have melted the brains of those on the right
Some fucking mental opinions on show recently.
Be worse when reform get inIts great. For all the post Brexit talk that was at least a one off. To lose your shit like this just for losing an election certainly is something.
Be worse when reform get in
Do you know what a political prisoner actually is?someone being made a political prisoner for their views
She got a sentence in accordance with the sentencing guidelines. If you don't think that incitement to racist violence is a very serious offence then it says a lot about you really.Precisely.
There's many on here that would be up in arms in someone being made a political prisoner for their views, and being exploited by the criminal justice system by being tricked into pleading guilty, if their views aligned.
This same judge that dismissed the case today by saying there were no grounds for early release was the same judge who released Lord Ahmed for attempt of rape early. Which crime is worse?
Yes, her tweet was shit, but there isn't a soul in the world that can argue that this makes sense and take the moral high ground without coming across as a total hypocrite and bellend.
Makes sense which is why it was an open door to get released if that’s what the appeal was aboutI assume one of the issues around these sort of cases is it coincided with early releases and now the likelihood the 40% rule will be relaxed
Prisoners to earn freedom after serving third of sentence under new plans
Offenders in England and Wales to have sentences cut for good behaviour and completion of work, training or education taskswww.theguardian.com
She got a sentence in accordance with the sentencing guidelines. If you don't think that incitement to racist violence is a very serious offence then it says a lot about you really.
You haven’t read the appeal transcript have you?It's pretty common sense that what's been applied here, and lack of reduction in sentence is to prove a point. Our prisons are overcrowded and you've got people committing far more serious crimes that have gotten less.
A political prisoner is someone technically imprisoned for their political beliefs or actions. If she had been writing with the same kind of tone towards the rioters themselves, would she still be locked up? No.
I haven't said her tweet was anything lovely, but you are all barking mad trying to defend the actions of the government and court systems here. Like I said, if it was someone that had said something you lot agree with, you would be kicking off about what's happened here.
Who on here do you think would agree with someone demanding that a hotel full of innocent people be set on fire?Like I said, if it was someone that had said something you lot agree with, you would be kicking off about what's happened here.
You make a good point
Who on here do you think would agree with someone demanding that a hotel full of innocent people be set on fire?
Despite your attempts to obfuscate and pretend this woman is in prison for her views on immigration, there is zero chance of this sentence being handed down without her appalling calls for violence, which no right-minded person would agree with.
The tweet itself is clearly abhorrent and a rant fully expecting that nothing would be done and she and her friends would have a right laugh about itWho on here do you think would agree with someone demanding that a hotel full of innocent people be set on fire?
Despite your attempts to obfuscate and pretend this woman is in prison for her views on immigration, there is zero chance of this sentence being handed down without her appalling calls for violence, which no right-minded person would agree with.
YepThe original sentence actually would have in all probability been less if she had accepted the advice offered by the original Defence Counsel. For whatever reason she ignored the advice and then denied she had the advice in the first place.
The fact you describe the woman’s case as minor is quite revealing. As DPP he should have been apolitical ( but would have had an eye on his special pension). Very different position and motivations as PM.People: "Starmer let Saville get away with it!"
People: "Starmer fixed this woman's sentence!"
so he's too busy to get involved with cases as Director of Public Prosecutions when he should have done, now he's Prime Minister he's all over a minor case to push for a few months extra when he shouldn't. Makes total sense.
you describe the woman’s case as minor
In your mental opinion. Being in power seems to have melted the brains of those on the left as they adjust to how poorly that power is being wielded.Not being in power any more seems to have melted the brains of those on the right
Some fucking mental opinions on show recently.
TBF that is a reasonable conclusion to come to. If only Saville had been brought to justice we could have compared sentences.I mean, compared to Saville it probably is.
It's pretty common sense that what's been applied here, and lack of reduction in sentence is to prove a point. Our prisons are overcrowded and you've got people committing far more serious crimes that have gotten less.
A political prisoner is someone technically imprisoned for their political beliefs or actions. If she had been writing with the same kind of tone towards the rioters themselves, would she still be locked up? No.
I haven't said her tweet was anything lovely, but you are all barking mad trying to defend the actions of the government and court systems here. Like I said, if it was someone that had said something you lot agree with, you would be kicking off about what's happened here.
Read the judgment
The minimum was 36 months
+ 6 months due to the fact that is was a sensitive environment she did it in which she was well aware of, but, taking into account her circumstances including caring obligations
- 25% for guilty plea
If a Muslim man had stated that all pubs should be firebombed there would be uproar on here (rightly so)
Read what it says, not who is saying it.
Boris warns that Starmer's Britain is 'turning into a police state'
Lucy Connolly posted a vile message about migrants - but supporters point out that criminals found guilty of far more serious offences have been handed substantially shorter sentences.www.dailymail.co.uk
That’s how I read itI mean, compared to Saville it probably is.
In your mental opinion. Being in power seems to have melted the brains of those on the left as they adjust to how poorly that power is being wielded.
Everyone has an equal right to have opinions and to express them. Terribly sorry we are not all left wing sheep like you.
Judiciary nothing to do with the current government policy or persuasion.In your mental opinion. Being in power seems to have melted the brains of those on the left as they adjust to how poorly that power is being wielded.
Everyone has an equal right to have opinions and to express them. Terribly sorry we are not all left wing sheep like you.
Read what it says, not who is saying it.
Boris warns that Starmer's Britain is 'turning into a police state'
Lucy Connolly posted a vile message about migrants - but supporters point out that criminals found guilty of far more serious offences have been handed substantially shorter sentences.www.dailymail.co.uk
I still don’t get the two tier system argumentRead what it says, not who is saying it.
Boris warns that Starmer's Britain is 'turning into a police state'
Lucy Connolly posted a vile message about migrants - but supporters point out that criminals found guilty of far more serious offences have been handed substantially shorter sentences.www.dailymail.co.uk
Yep legislation in 86 was in response to poll tax riots probably and 2020 sentencing was down to Boris and his matesBut who is saying it is the guy who was PM was laws were passed to crack down on speech on social media?
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