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Nobody mention the moon landings
fatso
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I think your missing the point, I'm not saying she didn't break the law.
I'm saying the punishment has to fit the crime.
We arnt aware of anybody acting on her words, there is zero proof that I'm aware of, of any one actually burning anything down after being inspired to do so by her.
Should she face some form of punishment for her post ... yes, but a prison term seems excessive, especially in light of the early release of prisoners who have performed such acts of violence in order to make room for people who havnt.
Sky Blue Pete
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I’m sure you have empathy for her daughter she’s done nothing wrong
As multiple people have pointed out by literally copying and pasting the law in question, the punishment did fit the crime.
Whether anyone was directly inspired to act does not make the incitement itself less serious. There is no “tree falls in the woods” clause here. You are of course free to launder her reputation and do damage control as you see fit, but until you get that basic point, you won’t be any closer to understanding why the sentence was what it was.
fernandopartridge
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There were prosecutions, there have been multiple rounds in e.g. Rochdale. If you want to prosecute people you don't do it via public inquiry.
Sky Blue Pete
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It’s a fact people did go out and attack migrant hotels
What’s not is that they were linked
Sky Blue Pete
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The starting point for the sentence is 3 years imprisonment
The starting point
Sky Blue Pete
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Gynnsthetonic
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Perhaps we want to be sure it doesn't happen again. These rape gangs enjoyed immunity for years because authorities were to scared to get involved
Sky Blue Pete
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Fatso please read the appeal transcript I’d be really interested in your thoughts after reading it
I can link it again
Sky Blue Pete
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I think we have enough from the enquiry that cost £80mn or so to complete which Lee Anderson and priti Patel and suella Braverman did nothing about enacting the recommendations from
fernandopartridge
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Have you looked at the Jay Report?
skybluetony176
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This 2 tier thing. Are people suggesting that she got of lightly because she was potentially facing a maximum 10 year sentence but because she’s white and married to a Tory councillor she only got 2 and half years? Can only assume that’s the case as she certainly could have had a far heftier sentence if the latter of the law was implemented.
Maybe it's an understanding of the way thing's work for that kind,if he's ever had his arm twisted or been corrupted by financial choices on a public body?
fatso
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That seems crazy. It gives the judges no leeway. It looks like she was poorly advised to plead guilty, as it took the sentence out of the judges hands.
I'll read through the transcript as soon as I get some time, thanks for linking it.
Sky Blue Pete
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It looks to me like she had excellent advice but thought that being married to a conservative councillor would mean they wouldn’t throw the book at her and worse the appeal was poorly made and wasn’t rational or logical
The appeal judges side completely with the defence solicitor and completely reject lucy Connollys narrative it’s hard to find holes in it
MalcSB
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I don’t suppose he would still have any influence as an ex DPS, would he? Oh, and current PM with all the dynamism of a dormouse.
Sky Blue Pete
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Have you read the appeal
Shockingly naive behaviour for an intelligent person
MalcSB
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fernandopartridge
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No, as you are well aware we have an independent judiciary in this country. It's a major part of the UK's soft power and standing in the world.
SBAndy
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But there was leeway. The sentence was reduced by 5 months vs the starting point of 3 years.
MalcSB
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He has little/ no empathy with anyone who does not comply 100% with his view of the world. Is looking forward to the world of 1984 to be fully adopted as the framework for UK governance. Perhaps with a little Clockwork Orange thrown in for fun.
MalcSB
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Soft power and standing?
mmttww
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People: "Starmer let Saville get away with it!"
People: "Starmer fixed this woman's sentence!"
so he's too busy to get involved with cases as Director of Public Prosecutions when he should have done, now he's Prime Minister he's all over a minor case to push for a few months extra when he shouldn't. Makes total sense.
People: "Starmer fixed this woman's sentence!"
so he's too busy to get involved with cases as Director of Public Prosecutions when he should have done, now he's Prime Minister he's all over a minor case to push for a few months extra when he shouldn't. Makes total sense.
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mmttww
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He'd fit right in on this forum if this was true, tbf.
fernandopartridge
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Are you saying you'd prefer courts that are influenced by government?Soft power and standing?
Starmer somehow managing to be both a timid leader with no authority, yet also an omnipotent authoritarian with sweeping powers over the judiciary. All in the space of one post.
shmmeee
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She’s 11, she’ll live. We can’t have a separate legal system for parents. Parents are supposed to be more responsible because they’ve got children. I imagine if she spent less time hyping up her case as some great miscarriage of justice and more atoning for her sins I suspect the judges might feel a little more lenient.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Precisely.
There's many on here that would be up in arms in someone being made a political prisoner for their views, and being exploited by the criminal justice system by being tricked into pleading guilty, if their views aligned.
This same judge that dismissed the case today by saying there were no grounds for early release was the same judge who released Lord Ahmed for attempt of rape early. Which crime is worse?
Yes, her tweet was shit, but there isn't a soul in the world that can argue that this makes sense and take the moral high ground without coming across as a total hypocrite and bellend.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Is it a bit stupid? Yes.
However, anyone in this current day and age that thinks this is worth 31 months in prison frankly shouldn't be permitted to vote.
Given the shock at the recent local election results, I would add that most of you do not reflect the opinion of the majority of the country with your outrage about this case.
Next on SBT: 'Why are Reform winning elections?'
However, anyone in this current day and age that thinks this is worth 31 months in prison frankly shouldn't be permitted to vote.
Given the shock at the recent local election results, I would add that most of you do not reflect the opinion of the majority of the country with your outrage about this case.
Next on SBT: 'Why are Reform winning elections?'
Sick Boy
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I don’t know about you but I’ve never called for people to be murdered by being burnt alive.I think people feel the sentence doesn't reflect the crime, I'm not saying that a crime wasn't committed, clearly it was.
But (imo) releasing other prisoners, some of whom have committed far worse offenses and then imprisoning a mother for a post seems to be very OTT.
How many of us have said something in the heat of the moment that we later regret,
(Like "will you marry me"
In this case, once you post on the cesspit of social media, it's there for everyone to see.
Sick Boy
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What families is she referring to?
skybluetony176
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The snowflakes fawning over this woman on here is hilarious. A) she did the crime B) she didn’t even get the maximum sentence and C) her appeal was based on her playing the victim. If you can’t do the time…
I don’t see the same people (or anyone else for that matter) fawning over Roger Hallam who got 5 years for organising a protest. Wrong cause obviously. Incite people to riot and burn down hotels containing people including thousands of children = fine/miscarriage of justice/the perpetrator is the real victim vs incite people to peaceful protest against the biggest threat to mankind that inconvenienced some people for a day = keep quiet/say nothing. If you want to discuss a 2 tier justice system…
The snowflake right needs to give their heads a wobble.
I don’t see the same people (or anyone else for that matter) fawning over Roger Hallam who got 5 years for organising a protest. Wrong cause obviously. Incite people to riot and burn down hotels containing people including thousands of children = fine/miscarriage of justice/the perpetrator is the real victim vs incite people to peaceful protest against the biggest threat to mankind that inconvenienced some people for a day = keep quiet/say nothing. If you want to discuss a 2 tier justice system…
The snowflake right needs to give their heads a wobble.