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[mmttww]

a political prisoner

I was waiting for someone to trot this out. Asking for people to be burned to death because you don't like their skin tone, the language they might speak or the god they might pray to isn't a political position or an act of protest.

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

She’s 11, she’ll live. We can’t have a separate legal system for parents. Parents are supposed to be more responsible because they’ve got children. I imagine if she spent less time hyping up her case as some great miscarriage of justice and more atoning for her sins I suspect the judges might feel a little more lenient.

Doesn’t stop you and me having empathy for the kid
I do agree though the advice from the new solicitor and approach is beyond arrogant and not joined up and is why the court said no way
That said I didn’t watch the hearing and judges have been wrong before

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Precisely.

There's many on here that would be up in arms in someone being made a political prisoner for their views, and being exploited by the criminal justice system by being tricked into pleading guilty, if their views aligned.

This same judge that dismissed the case today by saying there were no grounds for early release was the same judge who released Lord Ahmed for attempt of rape early. Which crime is worse?

Yes, her tweet was shit, but there isn't a soul in the world that can argue that this makes sense and take the moral high ground without coming across as a total hypocrite and bellend.

Read the transcript she wasn’t badly advised

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Is it a bit stupid? Yes.

However, anyone in this current day and age that thinks this is worth 31 months in prison frankly shouldn't be permitted to vote.

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Given the shock at the recent local election results, I would add that most of you do not reflect the opinion of the majority of the country with your outrage about this case.

Next on SBT: 'Why are Reform winning elections?'

Again understand the law and don’t break it
It’s been in place 39 years

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The snowflakes fawning over this woman on here is hilarious. A) she did the crime B) she didn’t even get the maximum sentence and C) her appeal was based on her playing the victim. If you can’t do the time…

I don’t see the same people (or anyone else for that matter) fawning over Roger Hallam who got 5 years for organising a protest. Wrong cause obviously. Incite people to riot and burn down hotels containing people including thousands of children = fine/miscarriage of justice/the perpetrator is the real victim vs incite people to peaceful protest against the biggest threat to mankind that inconvenienced some people for a day = keep quiet/say nothing. If you want to discuss a 2 tier justice system…

The snowflake right needs to give their heads a wobble.

You make a good point

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The argument about why reform isn’t that we don’t understand their popularity it’s that it’s been said and done before and never ends well

Heres a complex problem
Here’s a simple answer that doesn’t require anything from me and doesn’t affect me

yeah sure I’ll vote for you

 

[PVA]

Not being in power any more seems to have melted the brains of those on the right
Some fucking mental opinions on show recently.

 

[shmmeee]

Not being in power any more seems to have melted the brains of those on the right
Some fucking mental opinions on show recently.

Its great. For all the post Brexit talk that was at least a one off. To lose your shit like this just for losing an election certainly is something.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Its great. For all the post Brexit talk that was at least a one off. To lose your shit like this just for losing an election certainly is something.

Be worse when reform get in

 

[shmmeee]

Be worse when reform get in

Still don’t think they can. There seems to be a hard 30% cap on batshit still. Tory losses are going less and less to them and they’ll be at their peak right now.

 

[SBT]

someone being made a political prisoner for their views

Do you know what a political prisoner actually is?

Her views didn’t put her in prison, her calls to burn people alive did.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Precisely.

There's many on here that would be up in arms in someone being made a political prisoner for their views, and being exploited by the criminal justice system by being tricked into pleading guilty, if their views aligned.

This same judge that dismissed the case today by saying there were no grounds for early release was the same judge who released Lord Ahmed for attempt of rape early. Which crime is worse?

Yes, her tweet was shit, but there isn't a soul in the world that can argue that this makes sense and take the moral high ground without coming across as a total hypocrite and bellend.

She got a sentence in accordance with the sentencing guidelines. If you don't think that incitement to racist violence is a very serious offence then it says a lot about you really.

 

[Grendel]

I assume one of the issues around these sort of cases is it coincided with early releases and now the likelihood the 40% rule will be relaxed

Prisoners to earn freedom after serving third of sentence under new plans

Offenders in England and Wales to have sentences cut for good behaviour and completion of work, training or education tasks

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I assume one of the issues around these sort of cases is it coincided with early releases and now the likelihood the 40% rule will be relaxed

Prisoners to earn freedom after serving third of sentence under new plans

Offenders in England and Wales to have sentences cut for good behaviour and completion of work, training or education tasks

www.theguardian.com

Makes sense which is why it was an open door to get released if that’s what the appeal was about
For me this feels like she’s being used politically but not by starmer

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

She got a sentence in accordance with the sentencing guidelines. If you don't think that incitement to racist violence is a very serious offence then it says a lot about you really.

It's pretty common sense that what's been applied here, and lack of reduction in sentence is to prove a point. Our prisons are overcrowded and you've got people committing far more serious crimes that have gotten less.

A political prisoner is someone technically imprisoned for their political beliefs or actions. If she had been writing with the same kind of tone towards the rioters themselves, would she still be locked up? No.

I haven't said her tweet was anything lovely, but you are all barking mad trying to defend the actions of the government and court systems here. Like I said, if it was someone that had said something you lot agree with, you would be kicking off about what's happened here.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It's pretty common sense that what's been applied here, and lack of reduction in sentence is to prove a point. Our prisons are overcrowded and you've got people committing far more serious crimes that have gotten less.

A political prisoner is someone technically imprisoned for their political beliefs or actions. If she had been writing with the same kind of tone towards the rioters themselves, would she still be locked up? No.

I haven't said her tweet was anything lovely, but you are all barking mad trying to defend the actions of the government and court systems here. Like I said, if it was someone that had said something you lot agree with, you would be kicking off about what's happened here.

You haven’t read the appeal transcript have you?

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf

 

[SBT]

Like I said, if it was someone that had said something you lot agree with, you would be kicking off about what's happened here.

Who on here do you think would agree with someone demanding that a hotel full of innocent people be set on fire?

Despite your attempts to obfuscate and pretend this woman is in prison for her views on immigration, there is zero chance of this sentence being handed down without her appalling calls for violence, which no right-minded person would agree with.

 

[Grendel]

You make a good point

Well he clearly hasn't read the transcript either

 

[Grendel]

Who on here do you think would agree with someone demanding that a hotel full of innocent people be set on fire?

Despite your attempts to obfuscate and pretend this woman is in prison for her views on immigration, there is zero chance of this sentence being handed down without her appalling calls for violence, which no right-minded person would agree with.

The original sentence actually would have in all probability been less if she had accepted the advice offered by the original Defence Counsel. For whatever reason she ignored the advice and then denied she had the advice in the first place.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Who on here do you think would agree with someone demanding that a hotel full of innocent people be set on fire?

Despite your attempts to obfuscate and pretend this woman is in prison for her views on immigration, there is zero chance of this sentence being handed down without her appalling calls for violence, which no right-minded person would agree with.

The tweet itself is clearly abhorrent and a rant fully expecting that nothing would be done and she and her friends would have a right laugh about it

I’d love to read the discussions when it was made clear she was in the shit

Looks like the solicitor was in agreement with the severity of the charge and that they made it clear to her the consequences of pleading guilty she just ignored it

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The original sentence actually would have in all probability been less if she had accepted the advice offered by the original Defence Counsel. For whatever reason she ignored the advice and then denied she had the advice in the first place.

Yep

 

[MalcSB]

People: "Starmer let Saville get away with it!"
People: "Starmer fixed this woman's sentence!"

so he's too busy to get involved with cases as Director of Public Prosecutions when he should have done, now he's Prime Minister he's all over a minor case to push for a few months extra when he shouldn't. Makes total sense.

The fact you describe the woman’s case as minor is quite revealing. As DPP he should have been apolitical ( but would have had an eye on his special pension). Very different position and motivations as PM.

There was a previous Labour leader who had promised to be tough on crime and causes of crime. Starmer is attempting to make himself look tough in terms of the former but not being all that effective in terms of the latter.

 

[mmttww]

you describe the woman’s case as minor

I mean, compared to Saville it probably is.

 

[MalcSB]

Not being in power any more seems to have melted the brains of those on the right
Some fucking mental opinions on show recently.

In your mental opinion. Being in power seems to have melted the brains of those on the left as they adjust to how poorly that power is being wielded.

Everyone has an equal right to have opinions and to express them. Terribly sorry we are not all left wing sheep like you.

 

[MalcSB]

I mean, compared to Saville it probably is.

TBF that is a reasonable conclusion to come to. If only Saville had been brought to justice we could have compared sentences.

 

[fernandopartridge]

It's pretty common sense that what's been applied here, and lack of reduction in sentence is to prove a point. Our prisons are overcrowded and you've got people committing far more serious crimes that have gotten less.

A political prisoner is someone technically imprisoned for their political beliefs or actions. If she had been writing with the same kind of tone towards the rioters themselves, would she still be locked up? No.

I haven't said her tweet was anything lovely, but you are all barking mad trying to defend the actions of the government and court systems here. Like I said, if it was someone that had said something you lot agree with, you would be kicking off about what's happened here.

Read the judgment

The minimum was 36 months
+ 6 months due to the fact that is was a sensitive environment she did it in which she was well aware of, but, taking into account her circumstances including caring obligations
- 25% for guilty plea

If a Muslim man had stated that all pubs should be firebombed there would be uproar on here (rightly so)

 

[MalcSB]

Read what it says, not who is saying it.

Boris warns that Starmer's Britain is 'turning into a police state'

Lucy Connolly posted a vile message about migrants - but supporters point out that criminals found guilty of far more serious offences have been handed substantially shorter sentences.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[shmmeee]

Read the judgment

The minimum was 36 months
+ 6 months due to the fact that is was a sensitive environment she did it in which she was well aware of, but, taking into account her circumstances including caring obligations
- 25% for guilty plea

If a Muslim man had stated that all pubs should be firebombed there would be uproar on here (rightly so)

In fact a Muslim man did and he’s going to court and I hope he’s convicted. People need to realise Twitter isn’t real life and you can’t run about making death threats at people.

 

[shmmeee]

Read what it says, not who is saying it.

Boris warns that Starmer's Britain is 'turning into a police state'

Lucy Connolly posted a vile message about migrants - but supporters point out that criminals found guilty of far more serious offences have been handed substantially shorter sentences.

www.dailymail.co.uk

But who is saying it is the guy who was PM was laws were passed to crack down on speech on social media?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I mean, compared to Saville it probably is.

That’s how I read it

 

[PVA]

In your mental opinion. Being in power seems to have melted the brains of those on the left as they adjust to how poorly that power is being wielded.

Everyone has an equal right to have opinions and to express them. Terribly sorry we are not all left wing sheep like you.

You're the guy crying because big bad Keir didn't consult you on a trade deal.

It's absolutely pathetic stuff.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

In your mental opinion. Being in power seems to have melted the brains of those on the left as they adjust to how poorly that power is being wielded.

Everyone has an equal right to have opinions and to express them. Terribly sorry we are not all left wing sheep like you.

Judiciary nothing to do with the current government policy or persuasion.

The law was from 1986 and the sentencing guidelines from 2020. The judiciary are experts at the law

 

[PVA]

Read what it says, not who is saying it.

Boris warns that Starmer's Britain is 'turning into a police state'

Lucy Connolly posted a vile message about migrants - but supporters point out that criminals found guilty of far more serious offences have been handed substantially shorter sentences.

www.dailymail.co.uk

All that shows is that silly fat wanker doesn't know what free speech means.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Read what it says, not who is saying it.

Boris warns that Starmer's Britain is 'turning into a police state'

Lucy Connolly posted a vile message about migrants - but supporters point out that criminals found guilty of far more serious offences have been handed substantially shorter sentences.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I still don’t get the two tier system argument
And it’s certainly can’t be laid at the door of keir starmer unless from him time at dpp

The rest is a reasonable challenge to the justice system but ffs Boris doesn’t take the time to find out facts and evidence it’s all pomp and bluster and fluff

there are about 100 tiers of justice and the really inflammatory one is that if you don’t have any money you can fuckin whistle for justice

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

But who is saying it is the guy who was PM was laws were passed to crack down on speech on social media?

Yep legislation in 86 was in response to poll tax riots probably and 2020 sentencing was down to Boris and his mates