Sol Campbell

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  1. steve82

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    Looks like Sol Campbell could be about to take his first job in management, he’s in advanced talks with bottom of League two Macclesfield Town.


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    Reckon ponticelli could learn a thing or two from him
     
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    Yet Gerrard, Lampard and co stroll into primo jobs because why ?

    Answers on a fucking postcard ...
     
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    There’s been a total extermination of a whole generation of black players by the system. It was okay for them to serve as players, but not for them to lead clubs.

    Racism is not only alive and well... it’s totally ingrained in the hierarchy of the game.
     
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    It’s becoming increasingly harder for a British manager with or without experience to get a job regardless of skin colour in the top two English leagues and progress

    A expansive overseas manager is the more desired choice by clubs flowing down in the leagues under increasing pressure from fans to follow the top end game.


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    Racism in football is obviously still very much apparent both on and off the pitch but I'm sorry I refuse to believe that Sol Campbell has been rejected from managerial jobs due to his ethnicity alone. The guy is a complete joke.
     
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    Would he play the race card if he wasn't doing very well and got sacked?
     
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    Couldn't agree more in general, but it does have to be said, regardless of the race issue which there very evidently is, Sol Campbell is a massive bell end & I wouldn't want him managing my club.
     
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    He'd play the race card if someone cut him up on the M25 so I guarantee he'd play the race card if he got sacked
     
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    He hasn’t got a job as he is just a pain and as soon as the going gets tough he will throw the race card.

    The only good thing that will come from this he will now have to stop bleating that he hasn’t been given a chance.
     
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    You won't win either way. If he's sacked he'll play the race card, if he does well he'll continue to claim he's the greatest mind in football
     
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    That's the thing, if he keeps shouting off about it before he is even in a job. Who would want to hire him in a job like football management where if he was shite and needed to be sacked it would be turned into a massive race row?
     
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    Both did extensive coaching work with Chelsea and Liverpool's kids respectively before entering management, they got hours of coaching under their belts before moving into management.

    On a separate note, have you heard Sol speak about football in the media? I'm not surprised he hasn't got a job at a higher level. Cant see him lasting the season
     
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    If he thinks he's been subjected to racism, why on earth *wouldn't* he shout about it?!?
     
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    Exactly. Clubs know that if the worst were to happen and he's sacked (which is an almost certain fate with mangers) a clubs' hierarchy will know that appointing him will just turn into a PR shitstorm in the long term because Campbell can't help himself. For a man who claims he's so intelligent, he really isn't the brightest spark and does himself zero favours.
     
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    He was a very good player in his time but carried a lot of baggage
     
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    If he's subjected to racism that's fair enough as that must be awful. But without sounding too politically incorrect, i find from his media interviews and comments in the press that he actually stereotypes white people and by large considers the majority of such to be inherently racist. By having a prejudice attitude and being vocal about it he's put off a lot of people in football and perhaps that's why he believes that the majority are racist when in reality they're not at all, it's just very few like him as a person.
     
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    I don't understand the lack of BAME managers issue. There is a whole generation of dinosaur managers. If we exclude those, how many of the new managers and coaches are BAME and is that representative of the last generation of players who were BAME? Eg if 10% is it 10% of new managers/coaches? I suspect we're not that far away.

    Currently in the PL 25% of player are BAME, therefore in the next generation when the current crop have retired and move into coaching, I'd like to think that 25% of managers would also be BAME but we cant judge that until we get there. For that to happen then 23 of 92 required, if people are prepared to do as Sol has done and drop into the lower divisions too.
     
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    Has there been stats on how many applications there are per job etc? It's hard to judge really without knowing how many are being applied for.
     
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    It doesn't work like that though does it. Football player and football manager are two different jobs, even more so these days as the job of a "manager" becomes less and less about coaching.
     
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    Not keen on 'race card' talk, it serves to shout down or oversimplify issues, whether legitimate or not.
     
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    It will be interesting to see how coaching and management in general develops in this country. Coaching and management is hard work and these days should be seen as two separate entities - how motivated to put the hours in are today's pampered multimillionaires going to be? There's not that many top players who are going to have the drive to work their way up the pyramid when they are already set for life and can just turn up at a Sky studio and collect a fat cheque for an afternoon's 'expert' summary and likewise not that many top clubs that will give their jobs to a new manager. Throw into that the instant success expected these days and it makes football management even more unattractive for any but the most driven individuals.

    Random fact - Robins is now the 31st longest serving manager from the 92 League clubs
     
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    You say that, but often the top players are those who have the drive to better themselves, despite earning a fortune.

    If you consider tyhe fact we paid the likes of Lee Fowler £8k pw before he hit the first team, it's the top players who decide a £400kpa salary isn't all they're aiming for.
     
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    Macc are a decent little club - used to live just down the road from them for a few years so went to watch them from time to time. Paul Ince started out in management there, saved them from the drop (in fact I saw him make his final playing appearance on the last day of that season when he brought himself on as a late sub). They've struggled as they had their manager poached at the start of the season. Sol could do well there.
     
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    A sea of white people not liking ‘the race card’ shocker.

    How many black managers are there currently?
     
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    I presume you mean football related?? :joyful::joyful::joyful::joyful:
     
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    Didn't he say that if he was white he would have been England captain for years that people like John Barnes disagreed with?

    There seem to be more Black Managers coming through, I am not saying it is wrong or anything. Are there stats on how many are qualified / how many are applying compared to others for each job?

    This is somebody who seems to turn to make things about race if he doesn't agree / like. That will be way more offputting than the colour of his skin when he is applying for jobs.
     
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    After you think about how many black managers there are....think about how many white journeymen managers leapfrog from one failure to the next.

    It’s a white sport, unless you’re a player.
     
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    I think 8 if SC appointed - could be more, but these below

    Chris Hughton
    Sol Campbell
    Nuno Espírito Santo
    Jos Luhukay
    Dino Maamria
    Darren Moore
    Keith Curle
    Chris Powell

    How many do you think there should be? (that's 9% which I would have thought based on the last generation of footballers isn't a million miles from representative)
     
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    Is that not itself prejudice against a experienced manager/coach who’s style or track record might not tick someone’s boxes like yourself yet he too might be a creditable candidate to do a job like your Macclesfield’s or Notts county’s near the bottom and then have success.








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    Campbell is experienced intelligent, qualified, traveled and looking to coach, it really can't just be that he's a whiny arse that has kept him on the outside looking in, that would exclude half the managers in the league in one fell swoop. When you consider the absolute shit he gets whenever he brings up race it's not something you'd do lightly.

    I doubt the validity of absolutely everything he says but there's definitely merit in there too, certainly more than him just throwing the deck around.
     
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    So could it be argued that white people (who make up more than 75% of the population) are therefore under-represented in the game as players and not being given a fair opportunity?

    Of course that sounds ludicrous as if the black player is better he get's selected. Best person for every job regardless of creed or colour, whether it be playing or managing.

    What we need to understand is when two people of equal standing with the same experience, qualification and knowhow are both applying for the same job, is the white guy selected ahead and is it because of the colour of his skin? If it is that's wrong but we need data and facts to back that up, not conjecture. I honestly believe it's a generational thing and that football clubs are not inherently racist and that he next generation will see a wave of change.
     
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    Is it really just his skin colour though? Maybe just me being naive when it comes to football club owners looking to hire a manager.
     
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    Recently Chris Ramsey and Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink
    Also Terry O’Connor, Mick McCarthys longstanding assistant, Kolo Touré is at Celtic as No 2



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    Is football failing black managers? BBC Sport investigates

    According to that article (2015) - 6.09% of managers were black at the time.

    What's the percentage of black people in the UK?

    There is no doubt racism exists, but in the workplace which would be under such spotlight I would be very surprised if they hadn't hired him for that reason. This is the day and age where the BBC are hiring people in some departments if they aren't white.

    Real racism needs to be tackled, giving people jobs to fill quotas or screaming that you've been discriminated against because you weren't good enough will only do more damage in taking the real situations of racism seriously in my opinion.
     
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