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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #211
Astute said:
He shouldn't be allowed to show young lads that they can do what they want and get away with it with a little more than a slapped wrist. Even his girlfriend has stayed with him. Is it for the money?
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no it is because she like many others believe he is innocent and 2 years in jail is hardly a slapped wrist, and how when he is playing football can he show young lads that they can get away with anything, even though he didn't get away with anything
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #212
Astute said:
Should have got much longer. Long enough to make sure his football career was over.

If the time served was what the crimes deserved there would be a lot less crimes committed.
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I can just see bitterness about him being a footballer and you are not, and where is your evidence on that last bit
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #213
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
no it is because she like many others believe he is innocent and 2 years in jail is hardly a slapped wrist, and how when he is playing football can he show young lads that they can get away with anything, even though he didn't get away with anything
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1. Be good at football, get paid thousands a week to do so. 2. Use some of that cash to get a girl drunk and sleep with her anyway. 3. Get arrested, spend a few years in prison. 4. ? 5. Get rehired immediately upon release from prison and earn the thousands again.

Do you not see something wrong with that?
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #214
I'm not sure you can start being selective about what people can do after they come out of prison. The idea is you come out having been punished for your crime(s) and hopefully rehabilitated. That may often not be the case but its the theory.

Is it that he will be a celebrity? Don't think so, he won't really be a celebrity at the level he'll be at. Is it what he will be earning? Seems more likely so on that basis wouldn't that apply to any career. If someone studies to become a brain surgeon while in prison should they not be allowed to take up that job as they will earn to much?

It's difficult because of what he's done but I think you have to change the system across the board, you can't selectively apply what you feel is justice.

Of course if the supporters of any club who show interest in signing him say they will boycott it is unlikely he'll be signed so that's probably the best course of action.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #215
chiefdave said:
I'm not sure you can start being selective about what people can do after they come out of prison.
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I wouldn't be hired in my job again after being imprisoned, I'd have to find a different career.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #216
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
no it is because she like many others believe he is innocent and 2 years in jail is hardly a slapped wrist, and how when he is playing football can he show young lads that they can get away with anything, even though he didn't get away with anything
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Two years for rape was long enough? I suppose you would say the same if it happened to someone in your family :jerkit:
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #217
chiefdave said:
I'm not sure you can start being selective about what people can do after they come out of prison. The idea is you come out having been punished for your crime(s) and hopefully rehabilitated. That may often not be the case but its the theory.

Is it that he will be a celebrity? Don't think so, he won't really be a celebrity at the level he'll be at. Is it what he will be earning? Seems more likely so on that basis wouldn't that apply to any career. If someone studies to become a brain surgeon while in prison should they not be allowed to take up that job as they will earn to much?

It's difficult because of what he's done but I think you have to change the system across the board, you can't selectively apply what you feel is justice.

Of course if the supporters of any club who show interest in signing him say they will boycott it is unlikely he'll be signed so that's probably the best course of action.
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If you or I were convicted for rape we'd find it pretty hard to find the same level of work after coming out.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #218
chiefdave said:
I'm not sure you can start being selective about what people can do after they come out of
prison. The idea is you come out having been punished for your crime(s) and hopefully rehabilitated. That may often not be the case but its the theory.

Is it that he will be a celebrity? Don't think so, he won't really be a celebrity at the level he'll be at. Is it what he will be earning? Seems more likely so on that basis wouldn't that apply to any career. If someone studies to become a brain surgeon while in prison should they not be allowed to take up that job as they will earn to much?

It's difficult because of what he's done but I think you have to change the system across the board, you can't selectively apply what you feel is justice.

Of course if the supporters of any club who show interest in signing him say they will boycott it is unlikely he'll be signed so that's probably the best course of action.
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Its not to do with earnings Chief, its to do with risk... Should a teacher and a farmer both having served time for abuse both return to their jobs? How can we avoid being selective?
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #219
Deleted member 5849 said:
I wouldn't be hired in my job again after being imprisoned, I'd have to find a different career.
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On what basis? Wouldn't it have to be for a specific reason?
 
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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #220
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If you or I were convicted for rape we'd find it pretty hard to find the same level of work after coming out.
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And certain jobs it'd be a no-no fuill-stop.

Not even jobs such as teaching, but jobs that have a CRB check done as a matter of course.

What we'd certainly have to demonstrate is a willingness to work for another opportunity.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #221
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
I can just see bitterness about him being a footballer and you are not, and where is your evidence on that last bit
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My eldest daughter was attacked by a bloke about 10 years ago for turning down his advances. He got a suspended sentence. About 6 months later they bumped into each other again. He punched her in the face. He got 6 months. She has seen him a few times since and he has walked the other way.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #222
Samo said:
Its not to do with earnings Chief, its to do with risk... Should a teacher and a farmer both having served time for abuse both return to their jobs? How can we avoid being selective?
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But you wouldn't be able to be a teacher as there's regulations or laws preventing it due to that risk. What risk does Evans playing football pose, what job should he get that would be less of a risk? If the arguement is that the law should be changed to ensure peoples safety then fair enough but it seems more that people are getting worked up because he's a footballer. If he was going back to a white collar job with the same salary do you think it would be the same response?
 
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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #223
chiefdave said:
On what basis? Wouldn't it have to be for a specific reason?
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On the basis that I would then fail a CRB check.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #224
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
I can just see bitterness about him being a footballer and you are not, and where is your evidence on that last bit
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No bitterness at all. I enjoy my job. I also know right from wrong and teach my kids such.
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #225
Astute said:
He shouldn't be allowed to show young lads that they can do what they want and get away with it with a little more than a slapped wrist. Even his girlfriend has stayed with him. Is it for the money?
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He got five years. Didn't exactly get away with it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #226
chiefdave said:
On what basis? Wouldn't it have to be for a specific reason?
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I suspect it'd be the swathes of female colleagues at your work saying 'I don't want to work with a rapist' and it causing more trouble than it's worth.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #227
chiefdave said:
But you wouldn't be able to be a teacher as there's regulations or laws preventing it due to that
risk. What risk does Evans playing football pose, what job should he get that would be less of a risk? If the arguement is that the law should be changed to ensure peoples safety then fair enough but it seems more that people are getting worked up because he's a footballer. If he was going back to a white collar job with the same salary do you think it would be the same response?
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As I said earlier in this thread, any job where he is not in the public eye and admired by young and vulnerable women suduced by money and fame.
 
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  • Oct 18, 2014
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I suspect it'd be the swathes of female colleagues at your work saying 'I don't want to work with a rapist' and it causing more trouble than it's worth.
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That too

But I also work with the community... and that requires checks where I work, despite not even working with the community in any situation where I could possibly do them any harm!

I'd suspect employers' inability to trust me wouldn't help either...
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #229
Samo said:
As I said earlier in this thread, any job where he is not in the public eye and admired by young and vulnerable women suduced by money and fame.
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I'm pretty sure that won't be an issue when his girlfriend stood by him through this.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #230
Deleted member 5849 said:
On the basis that I would then fail a CRB check.
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That's exactly my point, your job requires you to pass a CRB check and you wouldn't and therefore wouldn't be employed. You're not required to pass a CRB check to be a footballer.

Samo said:
As I said earlier in this thread, any job where he is not in the public eye and admired by young and vulnerable women suduced by money and fame.
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In which case rather than targeting Evans it needs to be address by the FA and FL and a rule change that you need to pass a CRB check to be a registered player.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #231
FRY-CCFC said:
I'm pretty sure that won't be an issue when his girlfriend stood by him through this.
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Ah yes, because guys are with their girlfriends 24 7 and never look at other women.
 
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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #232
chiefdave said:
You're not required to pass a CRB check to be a footballer.
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And given they come into contact, through their job, with far more members of the community (and, more to the point, far more vulnerable members of the community) that indeed shows the lax standards applied to a profession that is supposed to lead by example.

What it shows is there are arbitrary jobs where it matters. There's absolutely zero reason why I *need* a CRB check!
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #233
Samo said:
Ah yes, because guys are with their girlfriends 24 7 and never look at other women.
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So now you're saying he's a philanderer. This witch hunt for Evans is ridiculous in both the press and on here.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #234
chiefdave said:
In which case rather than targeting Evans it needs to be address by the FA and FL and a rule change that you need to pass a CRB check to be a registered player.
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That's a very fair point.
 
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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #235
FRY-CCFC said:
So now you're saying he's a philanderer.
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He's not exactly demonstrated his commitment to monogamy!
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #236
Deleted member 5849 said:
He's not exactly demonstrated his commitment to monogamy!
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Pretty sure they weren't together when it occurred.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #237
FRY-CCFC said:
So now you're saying he's a philanderer. This witch hunt for Evans is ridiculous in both the press and on here.
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No I am not saying that, I'm simply asking you to be realistic. How can you expect people to enter any discussion with you when you constantly misquote people?
 
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Jack Griffin

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #238
Deleted member 5849 said:
I wouldn't be hired in my job again after being imprisoned, I'd have to find a different career.
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This is the nub of the issue, Football clubs do not make moral judgements. This is a problem.

For Football to put its house in order it has to find a way of excluding convicted criminals permanently.
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #239
Deleted member 5849 said:
I wouldn't be hired in my job again after being imprisoned, I'd have to find a different career.
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yes because some careers are prohibited to offenders however football is not
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #240
FRY-CCFC said:
Pretty sure they weren't together when it occurred.
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"Evans admitted cheating on Natasha with the teenager – but denied forcing her to have sex with him at a Premier Inn in the north Wales resort of Rhyl.

Natasha said: “I was devastated he’d been unfaithful."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/ched-evans-devoted-girlfriend-rapist-3524103
 

Astute

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #241
FRY-CCFC said:
Pretty sure they weren't together when it occurred.
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Did she meet him in prison?
 

WONDERLAMPS

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #242
Astute said:
Did she meet him in prison?
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No. Good banter though.
 

Astute

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #243
Bobby Gould's Jockstrap said:
yes because some careers are prohibited to offenders however football is not
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So are you saying that it makes it OK then?
 
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Bobby Gould's Jockstrap

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  • Oct 18, 2014
  • #244
Samo said:
As I said earlier in this thread, any job where he is not in the public eye and admired by young and vulnerable women suduced by money and fame.
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what about if women were attracted to him if he had morrisons job? would he have to give that up? again you sound jealous
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 18, 2014
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Jack Griffin said:
This is the nub of the issue, Football clubs do not make moral judgements. This is a problem.

For Football to put its house in order it has to find a way of excluding convicted criminals permanently.
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I don't even agree with permanent exclusion. That seems... wrong for those who regret their mistakes and try to make things right again later on down the line. Frankly, it seems wrong across society full-stop for people to *never* be given a chance, else how do you give them an incentive to sort themselves out?

It's somewhat tawdry to rush with unseemly haste to forget however.
 
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