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cc84cov

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  • Feb 24, 2021
  • #71
shmmeee said:
That’s just not true. Sheaf has played in every game around the same amount of time as James other than when he’s been injured.
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He’s been sub for weeks he hasn’t been often when he did start he’s took off constantly,why did we even sign James tho if we had sheaf ?
 

Frostie

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  • Feb 24, 2021
  • #72
cc84cov said:
He’s been sub for weeks he hasn’t been often when he did start he’s took off constantly,why did we even sign James tho if we had sheaf ?
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You can't honestly watch the role that Kelly & James play & think it's the same as Sheaf's?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 24, 2021
  • #73
cc84cov said:
He’s been sub for weeks he hasn’t been often when he did start he’s took off constantly
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*sigh*

Norwich: Sheaf started, James came on for him on 69 min
Reading: James started, Sheaf came on for him on 79 min
Sheff Wed, Birmingham, Forest: Both started
Watford: Sheaf injured
Cardiff, Norwich: Sheaf returning from injury unused sub, James started.
Brentford: James on on 61 min, Sheaf on on 73 min
Swansea: James and Sheaf both on on 65 min

So basically they’ve played together for 5/10 games, replaced each other 2/10, Sheafs been injured once and unused sub the two following games before being back to playing together.
 
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skyblueinswansea

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  • Feb 24, 2021
  • #74
Frostie said:
You can't honestly watch the role that Kelly & James play & think it's the same as Sheaf's?
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im just thankful this site wasn’t up in the early 90s it would of been why is Peter Ndlovu not playing the Micky Quinn role.
 
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Frostie

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  • Feb 24, 2021
  • #75
Out of 31 games Sheaf has been available for he's started 21 & subbed on in 5.
Only 6 players have played more minutes.

Absolutely screams of a player the manager "doesn't fancy"
 

Otis

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #76
My only worry about him is that he seems quite slow and therefor have seen him be caught in possession a few times.
 
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superskyblue

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #77
cc84cov said:
He’s been sub for weeks he hasn’t been often when he did start he’s took off constantly,why did we even sign James tho if we had sheaf ?
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Your mummy really needs to limit you to just one Panda Pop on a school night.
 

The Philosopher

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #78
Everyone has opinions on different players and everyone is entitled to them.

Sheaf, in my opinion has some talent and in the right set up with the right players around him that suit him would do well.

However, on balance, I’ve seen him lose the ball more often than is reasonable through lack of awareness.

I’ve seen the forward momentum flow often disrupted once he gets the ball, he often elects to pass back rather than skip the ball wide to a runner. This may be a confidence thing in which case he should deal with it - CCFC isn’t a charity set up to deal with those with hurty feelings. Sorry.

I’ll stand by my original opinion - I don’t get excited when Hamer or James or whoever is taken off when we are losing and Ben Sheaf is being brought on.

My opinion.

Clearly some people think Ben Sheaf is the answer - in which case that’s their opinion.

To which I’ll close - if Ben Sheaf is the answer, WTAF must the question be?
 
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stevefloyd

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #79
Otis said:
My only worry about him is that he seems quite slow and therefor have seen him be caught in possession a few times.
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The way to address that is give options to the player in possession
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #80
The Philosopher said:
Everyone has opinions on different players and everyone is entitled to them.

Sheaf, in my opinion has some talent and in the right set up with the right players around him that suit him would do well.

However, on balance, I’ve seen him lose the ball more often than is reasonable through lack of awareness.

I’ve seen the forward momentum flow often disrupted once he gets the ball, he often elects to pass back rather than skip the ball wide to a runner. This may be a confidence thing in which case he should deal with it - CCFC isn’t a charity set up to deal with those with hurty feelings. Sorry.

I’ll stand by my original opinion - I don’t get excited when Hamer or James or whoever is taken off when we are losing and Ben Sheaf is being brought on.

My opinion.

Clearly some people think Ben Sheaf is the answer - in which case that’s their opinion.

To which I’ll close - if Ben Sheaf is the answer, WTAF must the question be?
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Who was one of the best midfield pivots in L1 last season?

Who has the best passing range in the squad?

Who gets important blocks in around the area?

Who has one of the best passing stats in the squad?

Who has one of the best interception rates in the squad?

Who does Robins clearly rate as he’s played most games this season?

Who is the best player to gauge a fans ability to actually judge a footballer?

Take your pick.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #81
stevefloyd said:
The way to address that is give options to the player in possession
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We are so fucking static in possession at times it’s depressing
 
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Magwitch

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #82
We have changed tact a bit with a higher press and trying to move the ball quicker through midfield Sheaf is more ponderous and suited the slower build ups. 50/50 for me whether we should sign him I like him and he has ability but i prefer a more mobile centre midfield whether he can adapt not sure but that’s for the manager to decide.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #83
Oh Christ, the Sheaf haters are out again i see. Very strange.. we have far worse players in the squad, I can name some if you like?

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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #84
I think a lot of the dislike of Sheaf comes from us being in the shit leagues for so long people have genuinely forgotten what a classy midfield pivot/deep lying playmaker looks like. If it isn’t Micky Doyle biting your ankles then they ain’t interested.
 
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Offhegoes

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #85
I like Sheaf. Touch of class about him, and think he could be a top player. Hope we do sign him. Matty James has done a job, but I wouldn't be going after him come the end of the season (if we stay up). He'll want big wages, has a spotty injury record, and I think we have enough with Sheaf, Kelly & Eccles. Maybe look to bring in a young player to compete for those positions. I think it's clear we need a centre forward, attacking midfiielder, left wing back, and a couple of centre backs.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #86
I'd like to see him on a decent flat pitch. Playing where he does on the iffy pitches (given that about 75% are ropey at the moment, factoring in 50% at The Trillion) must affect what is clearly a passing type of player, Like Otis said, he seems to lack a bit of pace, but given the roaming, busy other type players, we need someone of his ilk in the middle (Kelly won't last forever and we don't know how long James is here for). He is young and should improve. Let's see him on a nice flat Ricoh pitch!!
 

stay_up_skyblues

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #87
Sky Blue Harry H said:
I'd like to see him on a decent flat pitch. Playing where he does on the iffy pitches (given that about 75% are ropey at the moment, factoring in 50% at The Trillion) must affect what is clearly a passing type of player, Like Otis said, he seems to lack a bit of pace, but given the roaming, busy other type players, we need someone of his ilk in the middle (Kelly won't last forever and we don't know how long James is here for). He is young and should improve. Let's see him on a nice flat Ricoh pitch!!
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I was on board until you said “nice flat Ricoh pitch”
 
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shmmeee

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #88
Liquid Gold said:
I think a lot of the dislike of Sheaf comes from us being in the shit leagues for so long people have genuinely forgotten what a classy midfield pivot/deep lying playmaker looks like. If it isn’t Micky Doyle biting your ankles then they ain’t interested.
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Also his legs are too long.
 

junglej13

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #89
I thought he did ok when he came on last night.
 
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Frostie

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #90
shmmeee said:
Also his legs are too long.
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And he smiled once at Arsenal
 

stay_up_skyblues

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #91
For me he’s looked at his best after a prolonged run as a starter. Did ok last night but shouldn’t be judged on sub appearances, especially after a lay off. Same as Walker. Both need a good run of 10 games from the start and at full fitness to get up to speed before you can really make a call. Same as any player. I think he has the attributes and will prove to be a good player.

This lauding or writing players off when they haven’t had a sustained run is tedious and unfair. On that note, Gyo just doesn’t offer anything for me. Far too slow and gives the ball away too often
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #92
If we keep the 4 midfielders we have this year into next season I'll be very happy.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #93
mark82 said:
If we keep the 4 midfielders we have this year into next season I'll be very happy.
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I'm assuming you mean in the deep lying roles as we desperately need someone to compliment/compete with O'Hare.

Also at the moment I wouldn't sign James. His wages and injury history make it a big risk given that, although playing reasonably well, he's bought very little to the team.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #94
shmmeee said:
Who was one of the best midfield pivots in L1 last season?
LIAM WALSH

Who has the best passing range in the squad?
GUSTAVO HAMER

Who gets important blocks in around the area?
KYLE MCFADZEAN

Who has one of the best passing stats in the squad?
JAMIE ALLEN

Who has one of the best interception rates in the squad?
SAM MCCALLUM

Who does Robins clearly rate as he’s played most games this season?
MAX BIAMOU

Who is the best player to gauge a fans ability to actually judge a footballer?
GERVANE KASTANEER
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How did I do?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #95
skyblueinswansea said:
when he gave it away it wasn’t on him either in my opinion, the receiving player who I couldnt make out on my iPad screen, let it come to him and the defender nicked in front.

Sheaf is massively underrated by many, It Maybe controversial but I actually think that on natural talent he is our best all round footballer, maybe he doesn’t get to showcase it as well because of the level of our squad and the battle we are in, but he is a proper baller.
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It was O'Hare
 
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Deleted member 11652

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #96
I like Sheaf a lot. £750k could be a bargain really
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 25, 2021
  • #97
shmmeee said:
Also his legs are too long.
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Better get Doyle back to trim them down a touch.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #98
Frostie said:
It's just people with limited football knowledge that don't understand how different players play different roles/styles. It's like Sheaf is a centre mid so needs to be able to what both Hamer & Kelly do combined to at least the same standard.
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I don't think that's necessarily the case.

If it were wouldn't these people be complaining Kelly doesn't do what Hamer does and vice versa as well as what they can do? People realise midfielders do different things. At this moment in time it's difficult to say exactly what Sheaf is meant to be doing so any criticism will come from varied angles. Is he meant to be someone like Kelly? In which case he doesn't break up play enough. Is he meant to be a creative, passing player, in which case he can be too ponderous on the ball. Some people just haven't been able to pin down exactly what he's meant to do.

It seems to me he's a player who can play the ball, as you'd probably expect from an Arsenal graduate, but having spent much of his career in U23 he's not got up to the speed required to do the job as effectively as he could - he takes a bit too long and either we lose attacking impetus or he loses the ball too often. A bit like one of our previous Arsenal graduates - Stephen Hughes.

Given a bit of time and experience that may well come. A full pre-season working on things within the squad and he may improve significantly for next season. Eccles has come on leaps and bounds after his stint on loan.

He's not exactly doing enough to suggest he deserves to be a starter, but at the same time he's not been awful enough that we should be trying to get out of the deal. Hamer's loss of form recently may give him more opportunities and James hasn't been the fill-in for Kelly we hoped in terms of organising and leadership etc.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #99
Boosh said:
I like Sheaf a lot. £750k could be a bargain really
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It really is - Robins said before that we have an obligation to sign him rather than if we choose to.
 
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Old Warwickshire lad

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #100
Sheaf is a good player, he is still young and will only get better. £750k will turn out to be a bargain.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #101
Can't stand our fans, honestly some of the most ludicrous cunts in the country. Absolutely clueless when it comes to football and presumably everything else.

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Frostie

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #102
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Is he meant to be someone like Kelly? In which case he doesn't break up play enough. Is he meant to be a creative, passing player, in which case he can be too ponderous on the ball. Some people just haven't been able to pin down exactly what he's meant to do.
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The last point is right, our fans don't understand his type of player so unfairly criticise.
Do Man City fans criticise Ilkay Gundogan because he's not as defensive minded as Fernandinho or as creative as KDB?
No, because they're intelligent enough to realise he's a different type of player.

Sheaf is a deep lying playmaker. Capable of breaking up play & is very effective at it but can also take the ball from the keeper & CBs & accurately progress it wide to the wing-backs or into O'Hare & the strikers which, again he's very effective at.

There's also a lot of misconceptions & confirmation bias based on a few errors which are latched onto but totally ignored when Hamer etc. do similar (and frequently far worse).

Sheaf actually breaks up play far more than Kelly & his Passing Accuracy is the best in the squad, both short & long. The idea that he frequently gives it away is utter myth.

He's literally just turned 23, younger than the likes of Shipley & still developing. His signing is a coup for us.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #103
Frostie said:
The last point is right, our fans don't understand his type of player so unfairly criticise.
Do Man City fans criticise Ilkay Gundogan because he's not as defensive minded as Fernandinho or as creative as KDB?
No, because they're intelligent enough to realise he's a different type of player.

Sheaf is a deep lying playmaker. Capable of breaking up play & is very effective at it but can also take the ball from the keeper & CBs & accurately progress it wide to the wing-backs or into O'Hare & the strikers which, again he's very effective at.

There's also a lot of misconceptions & confirmation bias based on a few errors which are latched onto but totally ignored when Hamer etc. do similar (and frequently far worse).

Sheaf actually breaks up play far more than Kelly & his Passing Accuracy is the best in the squad, both short & long. The idea that he frequently gives it away is utter myth.

He's literally just turned 23, younger than the likes of Shipley & still developing. His signing is a coup for us.
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I agree. These are the sort of people who shout forward all the time at matches.

I believe even if we had DeBruyne some of our fans would criticise him for playing too many square passes.

Sheaf for £750,000 is a bargain. He is not the finished article but I think we would find it hard to find a better young player at that cost.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #104
Frostie said:
Do Man City fans criticise Ilkay Gundogan because he's not as defensive minded as Fernandinho or as creative as KDB?
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I bet they do...
 

SBAndy

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  • Feb 26, 2021
  • #105
TomRad85 said:
Can't stand our fans, honestly some of the most ludicrous cunts in the country. Absolutely clueless when it comes to football and presumably everything else.

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God, don’t remind me of the days of Yukubo.
 
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