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Nick

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #141
Esoterica said:
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I did think the same thing too. Couple of mill in the bank for the land, rent a pitch a Warwick Uni for peanuts and to satisfy Sports England stick some goalposts in a field and chuck a bit of astroturf down somewhere. Job done.
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You would think it would have to be the same standard at least.

It is just the whole public / private thing as well. Only CCFC players were allowed to use the pitches.

If they had a swimming pool in there only for CCFC players, would they have to rebuild that?

Anybody know how it works?

Again, everybody saying it is the final step. Would they have just sold it and liquidated us 3 or 4 years ago or since they have been trying?
 
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Frankley

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #142
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah this interested me too.

Could it (could it!) be that the stadium dream becomes a reality...?
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I've read the posts you've made in the past, so I am know you will understand the draft local plan that's been published covers a long period (15 years). I'm not sure others may understand the long term nature of the local plan.

Flagging the site for possible housing development in the local plan, doesn't mean that the training ground will be sold or that housing will be built any time soon.

Also, the whole thing might be a paper exercise at this stage. Getting the site allocated as being a potential site for 75 houses in the local plan will raise it's theoretical value.
 
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georgehudson

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #143
& amazingly the FA & FL do fuck all about the situation;
fit & proper owners ? imho NO
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #144
Frankley said:
I've read the posts you've made in the past
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My sympathies
 
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Chipfat

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #145
This latest news can be looked at either way. Sisu have come to the conclusion that they have been cornered so bad that selling is the only way out, so are cashing in on the only thing they have. Or they are trying to cash in and are about to invest in a multi purpose facility with the training ground and stadium all in the same piece of land.

Now as i was writing the Multi purpose facility bit i was laughing to myself thinking this is the most way out thing I've posted on here(in my opinion). Even with all the conspiracy stuff i had posted months ago. This is another piece in a very big jigsaw that is falling away from coincidence being a factor, with the telegraph now firmly standing on the opposite side to Sisu they know more than they can print in my opinion and already know making an enemy of Sisu now will not matter in the future. So expect more and more negative stuff to come out about the dealing and goings on of our owners from them and other parties involved.

If this is part of an end game then however is pushing this is willing to pick up the pieces and are take a gamble on how much will be left if the goal is reached. Sisu only have the option of buying land building and selling, that is not an realistic outcome nor is wanting 60mill. They have to take and run, selling the training ground is in my opinion part of an exit strategy, not an investment. As for talks being held again all parties are playing a game a deal for extension at the higgs may come into it but as im thinking those who are pushing are connected to those around the table in the end it will be for the benefit of those stepping in and not those stepping out.
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #146
Chipfat said:
This latest news can be looked at either way. Sisu have come to the conclusion that they have been cornered so bad that selling is the only way out, so are cashing in on the only thing they have. Or they are trying to cash in and are about to invest in a multi purpose facility with the training ground and stadium all in the same piece of land.
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That's what I am asking though, they have been trying to do it for years way before all of the "cornering".

You are right though, if the Telegraph didn't think somebody was happening then they knew they were going to lose access to the club the moment they did it.

It is a big gamble though, as we saw when everybody went all out about Haskell before.
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #147
Just on another slant, Perhaps they want the money to invest in the redevelopment of the Butts for us to move there. (sorry if someone has put in the thread earlier but I'm too lazy/busy to read through it all).
 

Moff

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #148
Otis said:
Errm, isn't it best to secure the new land first and lay a few bricks before putting your old training ground up for sale?
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Bloody hell Otis, be a bit patient, they are snowed under securing a site for the new stadium. Oh sorry hang on......
 

Brylowes

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #149
Bruce the Boot said:
MORE of our History eroded , I think we all know now , that they are here for themselves and not CCFC ..
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Anybody that didn't already know this, should take a close look at their own reasoning. IMHO
 

Moff

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #150
skybluetony176 said:
It's got HR/A2000 written all over it already.
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We only need Richardson in as a consultant and a land sale to Tesco to make it a mirror image.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #151
Couldn't agree more chipfat. This is it. Too much reporting and now the telegraph are on the sisu out campaign. Well they wernt before? Why? What's changed? Something has. In my opinion is the same as yours sisu are closer and closer to leaving and CT know it and hence nailed their colours to the mast.

Let's face it selling the training ground isn't the sign of long term sticking around is it?

Also expect more bad news stories about sisu upcoming as this will fit in with the sisu out campaign that has just started Tuesday for some reason at the blue.

It is over in my opinion just what's left of anything is the question and is it salvageable? Not sure
 
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Moff

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #152
Captain Dart said:
Note the company address is registered at Ryton, the new company address will probably be a PO box.
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Or the Cayman islands.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #153
Kingokings204 said:
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Let's face it selling the training ground isn't the sign of long term sticking around is it?
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But that's the thing, what they would have done before they were cornered and were trying to sell it.

Would they have just sold Ryton and shut us down? What options would there have been?

Could they have been sticking around just on the hope of this land stuff at Ryton which is still quite a way off?
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #154
oldskyblue58 said:
the pitch replacement would need to be in the RBC area wouldn't it?

Everything is charged to ARVO so any funds are technically due to that entity

Didn't Mogga say that one of the selling points for attracting new players was the standard of the training facilities? (having seen them the pitches are great but the buildings not so) Renting someone elses going to do that? Building new one will take time and additional funds

Can RBC or anyone else have confidence in assurances given.

If we raised £2m then would that pay for a new training ground, the Fleetwood one that just opened cost £6.5m. So the logic would be we are selling something in order to borrow more to replace it (if it is replaced)

Perhaps they will share with another sports team, I cant see it being Wasps, so CRFC or even Broadstreet ?

Just seems further evidence of an internet based zombie company that struggles to put a competitive team on the pitch or to engage on even a half decent level with its customers - us the fans
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I did work on the ew Fleetwood training ground last year it is quite nice but you don't get a lot for £6.5m
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #155
letsallsingtogether said:
but you don't get a lot for £6.5m
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Three bed semi in Allesley?
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #156
oldfiver said:
Strange how the CT reports this but not the WASPies land transaction?
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Waiting for the Observer to do it first they have been very quiet of late why do you think that is Les?
 

ccfc92

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #157
Skyblueweeman said:
I bet you Moggas gutted he spunked £50k on some new paint and graffiti last summer.
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Init Fam.

(Sorry )
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #158
Nick said:
But that's the thing, what they would have done before they were cornered and were trying to sell it.

Would they have just sold Ryton and shut us down? What options would there have been?

Could they have been sticking around just on the hope of this land stuff at Ryton which is still quite a way off?
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Who knows Nick. My view is something has happened to really drive the CT to run a sisu out campaign from Tuesday. Something has changed. As we know houses and land are a time process. This could be the last piece to their ccfc jigsaw.

They are getting nowhere quickly via the courts and sisu aren't that thick. That lane is closed in reality. The team has sold pretty much every asset player wise bar RCC and Willis perhaps? No ground and no academy.

This is it. They have to leave at some point so why not this season?
 

Nick

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #159
Kingokings204 said:
Who knows Nick. My view is something has happened to really drive the CT to run a sisu out campaign from Tuesday. Something has changed. As we know houses and land are a time process. This could be the last piece to their ccfc jigsaw.

They are getting nowhere quickly via the courts and sisu aren't that thick. That lane is closed in reality. The team has sold pretty much every asset player wise bar RCC and Willis perhaps? No ground and no academy.

This is it. They have to leave at some point so why not this season?
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Oh no I agree something has happened and a switch has been flicked. You can also sense that the telegraph are enjoying it all as well.

That's the thing about Ryton being the last piece or an end game, they have been trying for years as have past owners.

I am not saying it isn't an end game, but they have been trying for a while to pull it off.
 

Otis

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #160
Moff said:
Bloody hell Otis, be a bit patient, they are snowed under securing a site for the new stadium. Oh sorry hang on......
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I think this is Sisu and also the piece of land.

 
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Moff

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #161
Otis said:
I think this is Sisu.

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I think, 'He was an idiot' summed it up well.
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #162
Isn't the speedway stadium also in Rugby? Apparently they agreed a deal before.
 

letsallsingtogether

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #163
Nick said:
Isn't the speedway stadium also in Rugby? Apparently they agreed a deal before.
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Maybe they could training there in the middle plenty of grass
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #164
Nick said:
You would think it would have to be the same standard at least.

It is just the whole public / private thing as well. Only CCFC players were allowed to use the pitches

If they had a swimming pool in there only for CCFC players, would they have to rebuild that?

Anybody know how it works?

Again, everybody saying it is the final step. Would they have just sold it and liquidated us 3 or 4 years ago or since they have been trying?
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My guess it's hardly applicable to this situation and easily overcome.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #165
Nick said:
Oh no I agree something has happened and a switch has been flicked. You can also sense that the telegraph are enjoying it all as well.

That's the thing about Ryton being the last piece or an end game, they have been trying for years as have past owners.

I am not saying it isn't an end game, but they have been trying for a while to pull it off.
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I couldn't agree more Nick and reading Gilbert and the CT guys on Twitter you can see their smarmy replies and yes they do seem to be enjoying it and now after Tuesday campaign start guess what every article is about sisu and nothing on players. Grant it they have been banned tbf lol

I really don't know about ryton and if it's green belt and everything else but it is our last asset and that's what sisu do they asset strip. This is our last one so hopefully they piss off after it. Why stick around then?

Biggest clue before was when vincelot was sold in the summer IMO. Was it a reported 90-100k fee? Well that's alarm bells in my head as that fee when we just got 4m for Maddison 100k is nothing and for a decent league one player probably not the highest paid. It's just smacks of shutting up shop almost like a closing down sale.

So perhaps to tie in with that? Sell what decent players we have in January? Like Willis who was all but tipped to leave. A good player btw. Then they might actually piss off by the summer.

I say the summer because it gives time for ryton to develop and sell January assets. They haven't got a new ground and wasps won't talk to them. There isn't a plan past 2018 regardless.
 

Nick

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #166
Kingokings204 said:
I couldn't agree more Nick and reading Gilbert and the CT guys on Twitter you can see their smarmy replies and yes they do seem to be enjoying it and now after Tuesday campaign start guess what every article is about sisu and nothing on players. Grant it they have been banned tbf lol
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Andy can at least recycle the official articles I guess.

Failing that, he might be able to bust out more things like the bigi agent article.
 

Brylowes

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #167
clint van damme said:
"The Club would like to reiterate that the current site cannot be developed until it has demonstrated to Rugby Council and Sport England that an adequate replacement has been provided for."

let's hope that this bit is set in stone!
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Quote: the club would like to reiterate that the current site cannot be developed until it has demonstrated
To Rugby B C and Sports England that an adequate replacement has been provided for.

TBH Clint all that really says is they have to produce plans and satisfy all concerned parties
They have every intention of doing so, like when we moved to Northampton and they had to
Demonstrate there intentions of building a stadium.
Difference here being, once they have demonstrated and satisfied, the land will be sold and
Built upon, and all we will have is plans and pictures of shiny new training facilities in an
Office draw somewhere.
 
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Moff

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #168
Brylowes said:
Quote: the club would like to reiterate that the current site cannot be developed until it has demonstrated
To Rugby B C and Sports England that an adequate replacement has been provided for.

TBH Clint all that really says is they have to produce plans and satisfy all concerned parties
They have every intention of doing so, like when we moved to Northampton and they had to
Demonstrate there intentions of building a stadium.
Difference here being, once they have demonstrated and satisfied, the land will be sold and
Built upon, and all we will have is plans and pictures of shiny new training facilities in an
Office draw somewhere.
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I would hope Brylowes that 'provided for' would mean actually provided and in place.
If not, as you said, all they need to do is get their shiny picture done all over again like the stadium.
This is depressing.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #169
Brylowes said:
Quote: the club would like to reiterate that the current site cannot be developed until it has demonstrated
To Rugby B C and Sports England that an adequate replacement has been provided for.

TBH Clint all that really says is they have to produce plans and satisfy all concerned parties
They have every intention of doing so, like when we moved to Northampton and they had to
Demonstrate there intentions of building a stadium.
Difference here being, once they have demonstrated and satisfied, the land will be sold and
Built upon, and all we will have is plans and pictures of shiny new training facilities in an
Office draw somewhere.
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Surely just a drawing isn't "provided for"?
 

Brylowes

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #170
Moff said:
I would hope Brylowes that 'provided for' would mean actually provided and in place.
If not, as you said, all they need to do is get their shiny picture done all over again like the stadium.
This is depressing.
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The word demonstrated means, I fear the worst.
 

covcity4life

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #171
what if they sell ryton and find a crappy cheap as chips substitute. then we will continue with sisu and with a worse training ground
 

skybluetony176

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #172
Moff said:
We only need Richardson in as a consultant and a land sale to Tesco to make it a mirror image.
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Richardson at least found a site. This could be worse, much much worse.
 

skybluebeduff

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #173
Is the land up for sale?, or is it all just "potentially up for sale"?
 

skybluebeduff

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #174
covcity4life said:
what if they sell ryton and find a crappy cheap as chips substitute. then we will continue with sisu and with a worse training ground
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It's worse carrying on with SISU as owners, regardless of anything they do.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Sep 23, 2016
  • #175
skybluebeduff said:
It's worse carrying on with SISU as owners, regardless of anything they do.
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thats what i just said. it dont mean they will go
 
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