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Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
The pigs, the march, the funeral, all good ideas - how keen on them were you?

The pigs was outside the box, fair play to Charlton for that as it was away from the usual stuff and looked good.
Funeral, I didn't see it personally, but a bit pointless really.

Are people sitting down and thinking about how things will work and what the outcome aim is before doing things?

I'd love for the ground to be filled, not for anybody else's sake than CCFC / players / manager. 3PM on a Saturday is when our fans are most together, however saying "for it to be unity you have to agree with me" is everything I am saying is wrong with the thread and it's where compromise comes in.

If people don't want to go to games or boycott outside it is up them, the challenge is to make it so they can relate to the people who go into the ground rather than the "us and them" type thing.

The things I have mentioned a fair few times in other threads are no way going to get SISU out, the same as 5 or 6 men dressed up with a coffin isn't but the aim is to bring the fans together a bit more.

The petition will do nothing at all apart from a bit of vanity and get a book promoted by people like the Trust sadly. Same as the "Bring City home" stuff where they jumped in at the last minute to try and claim all credit for everything. People keep obsessing about the media coverage too much, sadly not many people really care.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Nov 27, 2016

Rory83 said:
It's a heartbreaking demise of a once proud and defiant football club.
Why are SISU so stubborn, why are they looking to flog off any assets the club has? Why will they not invest enough to get us out of this God awful division into a position where gates increase and we might, just might start to make a bit of money? Why do they treat both the fans and the history of the club with total disdain? Making enemies seems to be their speciality. I hate them and I hate the game, for what it has become and the casualties that were traditional clubs at the heart of their communities being flung on the scrapheap.
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Brilliantly put, which is why so many people won't renew next season. What was once a very difficult decision for a lot of people out of loyalty to their club against the seemingly uncaring owners has actually become a very easy decision for many people - the loss of the stadium, the academy, Ryton training ground. As you say, the community is at the heart of any successful club but we have been treated abysmally.

Rory83 · Nov 27, 2016

ccfcway said:
With these owners its going one way, with someone else, who knows ?

It says a lot about our supporters that after all these years of heartbreak, humiliation and lies we can still hope.

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oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
The pigs was outside the box, fair play to Charlton for that as it was away from the usual stuff and looked good.
Funeral, I didn't see it personally, but a bit pointless really.

Are people sitting down and thinking about how things will work and what the outcome aim is before doing things?

I'd love for the ground to be filled, not for anybody else's sake than CCFC / players / manager. 3PM on a Saturday is when our fans are most together, however saying "for it to be unity you have to agree with me" is everything I am saying is wrong with the thread and it's where compromise comes in.

If people don't want to go to games or boycott outside it is up them, the challenge is to make it so they can relate to the people who go into the ground rather than the "us and them" type thing.

The things I have mentioned a fair few times in other threads are no way going to get SISU out, the same as 5 or 6 men dressed up with a coffin isn't but the aim is to bring the fans together a bit more.

The petition will do nothing at all apart from a bit of vanity and get a book promoted by people like the Trust sadly. Same as the "Bring City home" stuff where they jumped in at the last minute to try and claim all credit for everything. People keep obsessing about the media coverage too much, sadly not many people really care.

Would you like to remind us all of some of your ideas that we can unite behind as a fanbase? I'm not going to start searching through tens of thousands of posts when you can just remind me in 30 seconds.

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
Would you like to remind us all of some of your ideas that we can unite behind as a fanbase? I'm not going to start searching through tens of thousands of posts when you can just remind me in 30 seconds.

You are the expert from when you used to just read on here and all of my posts, so you should really know. There have been some decent threads with ideas in to actually unite the fans.

Oh and let's not forget about this protest:

More than a lot have done

Esoterica · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
I think we have to be realistic - getting rid of SISU will not in practice rid us of our problems. We were in dire straits before they arrived and a simple change of ownership will do nothing immediately to change our circumstances.

But.

There's no question that with an announcement on new ownership, with a team of 4-5 backers and a proper board made up of enthusiastic people, with a some fulltime directors and a clear, publicly announced and credible sounding action plan will deliver a sea-change in attitudes amongst the fans. This will likely also be the case within the club; my suspicion is that there there is a malaise within the club whereby nobody, from the catering staff at Ryton through to the players (whose confidence must be shot through now), manager and directors, where everyone being negative rubs off on everyone else, and the defeatist attitude is passed on and inherited throughout the faces that come and go through the CCFC resolving door.

New ownership would offer a natural break to that on the basis of a real fresh start, especially if baed by investment, a sensible deal to the stay at the Ricoh, a re-structuring of the business to make us more competitive and sustainable, and above all else passion and commitment from the very top. Tim Fisher isn't the evil clown he's made out to be, but his lack of enthusiasm and the fact that he essentially has a day job doing other stuff speaks absolute volumes - and Joy hasn't appointed any other full time execs to run us either. It feels to SISU like we're an annoyance and a pain, but new owners with a real passion for the team would inspire the fans and players.

I'm not calling for fan ownership as I do not consider it workable and nor am I able to name who these mystical people are because I don't know if they are, but we're in agony as a fanbase at the moment and things like the march yesterday do a great job of articulating our feelings; if that hastens the departure of the current board and makes the scenario I mention above more likely, then they have my support.

A massive bunch of rhetoric. The majority of our fans want success and for that to be remotely possible involves someone chucking cash at the team with no immediate return. Fresh starts, sensible deals, re-structuring to make us more sustainable is fluffy bollocks for 'break even'. Within a year of that we'd be back under 10k fans again. I'd love a full time passionate board with a proper game plan but without money to throw away, that game plan can only be break even and the championship is so awash with money that even if we got there we'd be doomed.

ccfcway · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
sadly not many people really care.

this. And its getting a smaller number day by day

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
More than a lot have done

I blame Derek Acorah.

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
You are the expert from when you used to just read on here and all of my posts, so you should really know. There have been some decent threads with ideas in to actually unite the fans.

No idea what you mean - I've never seen you suggest an idea. That's why I'm asking you. The fact that you keep desisting from suggesting anything, and just referring me to your post history, is revealing. If you haven't got any ideas then just say so.

I'd like to see a campaign to discourage any businesses from advertising on the club's website, programme, or any other area where the club gets advertising revenue. You can criticise that idea (not doubt you will) but at least I've tried to come up with something. Your turn....

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

Esoterica said:
A massive bunch of rhetoric. The majority of our fans want success and for that to be remotely possible involves someone chucking cash at the team with no immediate return. Fresh starts, sensible deals, re-structuring to make us more sustainable is fluffy bollocks for 'break even'. Within a year of that we'd be back under 10k fans again. I'd love a full time passionate board with a proper game plan but without money to throw away, that game plan can only be break even and the championship is so awash with money that even if we got there we'd be doomed.

Pretty much.

Unless they have silly money to come in, it's going to be the same situation of actually having to have revenues before they can do it. Even then we would still be in League 1 and Championship at the very very most as a yoyo club, some fans will still think it is 1994 and we are in the Premier League.

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
No idea what you mean - I've never seen you suggest an idea. That's why I'm asking you. The fact that you keep desisting from suggesting anything, and just referring me to your post history, is revealing. If you haven't got any ideas then just say so.

I'd like to see a campaign to encourage any businesses from advertising on the club's website, programme, or any other area where the club gets advertising revenue. You can criticise that idea (not doubt you will) but at least I've tried to come up with something. Your turn....

It isn't revealing, there are plenty there so have a look. You keep going on about my posts and things I say so have a look through at some of them.

Yes, an idea to stop money going into the club. Another one that won't make SISU go, it will just mean the budgets will be cut.

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
I blame Derek Acorah.

I made a man in India aware in 2013. It is making it go worldwide, he would never have known about CCFC and SISU otherwise.

dadgad · Nov 27, 2016

Rory83 said:
It says a lot about our supporters that after all these years of heartbreak, humiliation and lies we can still hope.

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Yeah, the support is still there, it'll never die.
BUT it is amazing we cannot UNITE as a group. CHARLTON's pig protest we got behind but here in Cov we seem incapable of organising similar?

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

dadgad said:
Yeah, the support is still there, it'll never die.
BUT it is amazing we cannot UNITE as a group. CHARLTON's pig protest we got behind but here in Cov s em incapable of organising similar?

You still keep missing it, UNITING doesn't mean everybody agree with you. In fact, that way of thinking will just do the polar opposite.

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
It isn't revealing, there are plenty there so have a look. You keep going on about my posts and things I say so have a look through at some of them.

Yes, an idea to stop money going into the club. Another one that won't make SISU go, it will just mean the budgets will be cut.

So you don't have any ideas. I've asked you 4 times and you've had ample opportunity so I'll take it that you have none. Or, at least give me a link so I can read the relevant posts myself. I'm not sifting through 50k posts, I'm not THAT sad.

You seem to keep missing the point. Nobody is seriously thinking that a funeral protest will make the owners leave. But it's about creating a hostile environment with as much discontent as possible that will make life uncomfortable for them (always assuming they care, which they may not) and make it more likely they will sell sooner than they would otherwise. I'm surprised that this isn't obvious to everyone but apparently it's not.

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
So you don't have any ideas. I've asked you 4 times and you've had ample opportunity so I'll take it that you have none. Or, at least give me a link so I can read the relevant posts myself. I'm not sifting through 50k posts, I'm not THAT sad.

You seem to keep missing the point. Nobody is seriously thinking that a funeral protest will make the owners leave. But it's about creating a hostile environment with as much discontent as possible that will make life uncomfortable for them (always assuming they care, which they may not) and make it more likely they will sell sooner than they would otherwise. I'm surprised that this isn't obvious to everyone but apparently it's not.

A hostile environment for who? Was Joy stood there watching? Did the awful photoshop of a witch have her uncomfortable or did it just look petty?

Yep, I haven't posted any ideas at all. They are all public to view, have a look. I've just posted one example

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
You still keep missing it, UNITING doesn't mean everybody agree with you. In fact, that way of thinking will just do the polar opposite.

Frightfully rude of me as I feel like Jeremy Paxman when he interviewed Michael Howard and kept asking the same question, only to have the question ducked repeatedly, but, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WE DO??????

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
A hostile environment for who? Was Joy stood there watching? Did the awful photoshop of a witch have her uncomfortable or did it just look petty?

Yep, I haven't posted any ideas at all. They are all public to view, have a look. I've just posted one example

If they're public to view then please send me the links.

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
Frightfully rude of me as I feel like Jeremy Paxman when he interviewed Michael Howard and kept asking the same question, only to have the question ducked repeatedly, but, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST WE DO??????

We unite the fans, we make it so kids can be involved, we make it about the love of CCFC rather than the hate of everybody else.

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
We unite the fans, we make it so kids can be involved, we make it about the love of CCFC rather than the hate of everybody else.

OK not a bad start - what sort of events or activities in practice would you use to encourage such feelings? You can't just say "unite the fans", there has to be some actual action, doesn't there?

italiahorse · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
Yes, an idea to stop money going into the club. Another one that won't make SISU go, it will just mean the budgets will be cut.

The budgets are being cut year on year.
At what point do we say enough is enough.
Every year we loose a 1000 fans.

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Nov 27, 2016

Everyone take a whistle to the match. That will unite everyone, and it's easy to carry and cheap to buy.

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
OK not a bad start - what sort of events or activities in practice would you use to encourage such feelings? You can't just say "unite the fans", there has to be some actual action, doesn't there?

This has also been discussed and hours spent discussing it on here.

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
This has also been discussed and hours spent discussing it on here.

And yet you apparently can't suggest anything when prompted.

Look at the guy above who mentioned the whistle - great idea. Will it make SISU leave by itself? No. Will it get some attention as part of an overall campaign? yes. Probably took him 30 seconds to think of that. You have a go....come on, you're a bright boy.

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
And yet you apparently can't suggest anything when prompted.

Look at the guy above who mentioned the whistle - great idea. Will it make SISU leave by itself? No. Will it get some attention as part of an overall campaign? yes. Probably took him 30 seconds to think of that. You have a go....come on, you're a bright boy.

OR you come on here acting like an expert of who posts, what I post and what else goes on so it shouldn't be too hard to just put something into the search box?

I have suggested plenty, I have even shown you proof of a protest

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
And yet you apparently can't suggest anything when prompted.

It's also worth noting that a sign of flexibility and maturity is to recognise when people aren't behind an idea and to drop it... rather than just repeat it again and again.

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

I don't think that anyone who does a protest e..g. a march, demo, sit-in, loudspeaker outside Downing Street seriously thinks that one action by itself will mean they automatically achieve all their aims. But taken as part of a concerted campaign, that's how change happens - look at anything you like from workers rights to political parties to votes for women to Brexit - none of these things happened because of one single action but instead because of thousands of people each contributing in their own way towards the same goal.

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
OR you come on here acting like an expert of who posts, what I post and what else goes on so it shouldn't be too hard to just put something into the search box?

I have suggested plenty, I have even shown you proof of a protest

You've made over 50k posts so looking for anything you've said on the topic would be the proverbial needle in a haystack job. You know when you made the suggestions and in which tread so I'm sure you can sift them out for me. Strange how you can't remember any of the ideas though or, if you can, why you won't simply repeat them here.

Don't get me wrong, I won't "do a Nick" and be all negative about any suggestion you make of positive fan action to campaign against SISU. There are good ideas and bad ideas but it will show you have at least tried. Come on....

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
You've made over 50k posts so looking for anything you've said on the topic would be the proverbial needle in a haystack job. You know when you made the suggestions and in which tread so I'm sure you can sift them out for me. Strange how you can't remember any of the ideas though or, if you can, why you won't simply repeat them here.

Don't get me wrong, I won't "do a Nick" and be all negative about any suggestion you make of positive fan action to campaign against SISU. There are good ideas and bad ideas but it will show you have at least tried. Come on....

It isn't strange, I have tried and I have posted them plenty of times and put a lot of thought into some of them about how the fans could potentially be united.

It's ok, you can continue to try and make out it hasn't happened though. Yet you can tell me who else has and hasn't posted on here like it's fact and you are an expert.

Keep an eye out for the fan unity at the kids party in the next few weeks though, there will be hundreds of young CCFC fans meeting their heros and politics won't even come into it for the afternoon.

Brylowes · Nov 27, 2016

I don't know why we even bother with these arguments anymore, reason being we're
All going to follow our own path, basically our minds are made up 'as to who's to blame.
It sums it up when you have a well respected poster on here, who can find the time to
Come on here and tell everyone why they would be wrong to boycott, and that they
Would prove detrimental to their clubs future,
While at the same time admitting he can't be arsed to go himself.

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Nick said:
It isn't strange, I have tried and I have posted them plenty of times and put a lot of thought into some of them about how the fans could potentially be united. And those ideas were...

It's ok, you can continue to try and make out it hasn't happened though. Yet you can tell me who else has and hasn't posted on here like it's fact and you are an expert. FFS, you're the one who is making it look like you haven't had those ideas because you're not saying what they are!!!

As with yesterday, it's not enough to proclaim something. Seeing is believing. I'm not saying you haven't had campaign ideas, I'm asking you to share with us what they are. Instead, your deflecting, squirming and lashing out at me.

Deleted member 5849 · Nov 27, 2016

Brylowes said:
It sums it up when you have a well respected poster on here, who can find the time to
Come on here and tell everyone why they would be wrong to boycott, and that they
Would prove detrimental to their clubs future,
While at the same time admitting he can't be arsed to go himself.

Who's said that, then?

Or is there the sound of a big WHOOOSSHHing noise around now?

Nick · Nov 27, 2016

oucho said:
As with yesterday, it's not enough to proclaim something. Seeing is believing. I'm not saying you haven't had campaign ideas, I'm asking you to share with us what they are. Instead, your deflecting, squirming and lashing out at me.

Nobody is lashing out or squirming. I am quite comfortable knowing it's a fact I have spent a fair bit of time coming up with ideas and posting them on here, not sure why I'd need to squirm about it?

oucho · Nov 27, 2016

Deleted member 5849 said:
It's also worth noting that a sign of flexibility and maturity is to recognise when people aren't behind an idea and to drop it... rather than just repeat it again and again.

I'm just asking him to give an example of his own protest ideas but for some reason he's being rather reticent about what they are..

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Nov 27, 2016

I made a suggestion about everyone taking whistles to the match but of course people are so engrossed in getting one over someone else that it has gone unnoticed. It's very effective, cheap, non violent and anyone can do it. Still, who gives a toss.

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