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chiefdave

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #71
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
I don't really see what benefit we're actually seeing from that both from a player development perspective or from a business POV.
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It doesn't even seem to get used for players returning from injury to get some minutes anymore.

Not sure what the solution is here. Play up to U18s and then go back to the old fashioned reserves?
 

Balli001

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #72
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It can't be cheap to run an U21s side, would be interested to find out how much of an overhead it actually is for us.

When you include wages of players and staff, as well as the cost of food, drink, travel to games, treatment, equipment and any other extras that inevitably the average fan wouldn't even think to consider it can't be inexpensive.

I don't really see what benefit we're actually seeing from that both from a player development perspective or from a business POV.
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Its rare but sometimes a player comes through who becomes a valuable asset, both playing and financially. We are still seeing some financial rewards from Maddison all these years later.
 

shmmeee

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #73
Balli001 said:
It’s rare but sometimes a player comes through who becomes a valuable asset, both playing and financially. We are still seeing some financial rewards from Maddison all these years later.
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Did Madders ever play much in the U21s? He seemed to appear in the first team out of nowhere.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #74
Balli001 said:
Its rare but sometimes a player comes through who becomes a valuable asset, both playing and financially. We are still seeing some financial rewards from Maddison all these years later.
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Maddison more or less came straight from the academy though, this is a different conversation. He was 17 when he broke through and started playing games semi-regularly.

I'm more talking about allocating budget to the likes of Cashman, Jay McGarth, Tom Costello's etc. Individually they'll be low cost but collectively it's a pretty wasteful use of budget as we've reached the stage now where their ability to get first team minutes will be reduced to near enough nil.

If a player is good enough coming out of the academy they in theory should either get integrated into the first team or go out on loan. Why let them rot in the U21s playing against nobodies most of which either won't even be in football within the next 3-5 years or will be playing in the Capelli Sport MFL Premier Division.

I can't actually think of a player that genuinely has benefitted by spending a season or two solely in the U21s.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #75
chiefdave said:
It doesn't even seem to get used for players returning from injury to get some minutes anymore.

Not sure what the solution is here. Play up to U18s and then go back to the old fashioned reserves?
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I doubt it really does much to help in building match fitness up to be honest. The quality is appalling. I remember Biamou playing in a few and ended up bagging about 5 goals in 3 games. Remember Ponticelli? You would've thought he was the second coming of Ronaldo based on his U23 record. If you're coming back from injury you're surely far better off playing in training games against your fellow team mates rather than U21 players 95% of which genuinely won't play higher than NL South in their career.

It's not compulsory to have an U21 side so I really don't know why we just don't scrap it.
 

Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #76
 
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SBT

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #77
He calls it a pasty
 
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larry_david

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #78
I actually don't think they're gonna announce a retained list
 
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SBT

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #79
Maybe the retained list was the friends we made along the way
 
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TomRad85

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #80
Sky Blue Goblin said:
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We'll always have that Pompey goal. Good luck to him.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #81
How are Plymouth beating us to our own players?
king and Lampard what are they doing?
 
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skybluecam

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #82
Ccfcisparks said:
How are Plymouth beating us to our own players?
king and Lampard what are they doing?
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Damn you beat me to it with this joke
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #83
SBT said:
He calls it a pasty
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Actually its probably more like "He calls it a bap" !
 

ceetee

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #84
He's had the good sense to drop a level, to what ought to be a promotion chasing team, and we've helped him on his way by giving him training time and a little game time
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #85
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Maddison more or less came straight from the academy though, this is a different conversation. He was 17 when he broke through and started playing games semi-regularly.

I'm more talking about allocating budget to the likes of Cashman, Jay McGarth, Tom Costello's etc. Individually they'll be low cost but collectively it's a pretty wasteful use of budget as we've reached the stage now where their ability to get first team minutes will be reduced to near enough nil.

If a player is good enough coming out of the academy they in theory should either get integrated into the first team or go out on loan. Why let them rot in the U21s playing against nobodies most of which either won't even be in football within the next 3-5 years or will be playing in the Capelli Sport MFL Premier Division.

I can't actually think of a player that genuinely has benefitted by spending a season or two solely in the U21s.
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I've no problem with those from the academy stepping up into a reserve team to develop but haven't seen the point in signing all these youngsters from other teams to play in the U21's that we clearly don't think are good enough.

I know they might argue they're a cheap option and maybe one will surprise us and come good but for me if we're signing someone of that age it should be with the expectation they will be capable of getting to first team level. Otherwise just play the older academy kids at that level and see how they get on.

Just have a reserve league for academy graduates with first team squad players currently out of favour or coming back from injury for them to learn off.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • May 23, 2025
  • #86
Sky Blue Goblin said:
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couldn’t really have gone any better for him here with that goal, and he will never top it and not likely to get much game time so makes sense for him
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #87
Club is taking its time to announce the retained list.
 

Saddlebrains

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #88
We were granted an extension due to the play offs but that expired last week so god knows what they're playing at
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #89
Saddlebrains said:
We were granted an extension due to the play offs but that expired last week so god knows what they're playing at
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Maybe something to do with the takeover?
 
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Mcbean

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #90
My guess internally those players have been told
 

Saddlebrains

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #91
Flying Fokker said:
Maybe something to do with the takeover?
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I wish. Saudi takeovers don't happen to clubs like us unfortunately
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #92
Mcbean said:
My guess internally those players have been told
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Must be because they’re all on holidays right now
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #93
Saddlebrains said:
I wish. Saudi takeovers don't happen to clubs like us unfortunately
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We’ve become an attractive proposition now. Granted won’t be Saudi investment but we’re a club on the up, multiple Wembley appearances, class fan base and a high profile manager in Lampard. Best position we’ve been in ages.
 
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SleepyGinger

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #94
I’d give Allen another year
 
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Major Tom

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #95
Saddlebrains said:
I wish. Saudi takeovers don't happen to clubs like us unfortunately
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It’s a difficult one but i’m happy with our current model. OK we can’t compete with clubs that have huge international investment but would you want to end up with a car crash like forest have as an owner.
But saying that i’m sure Doug may sell asap if a billionaire came in with an offer.
 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #96
Where has this talk of Saudis taking over a club come from?
 

Terry_dactyl

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #97
SleepyGinger said:
I’d give Allen another year
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From Saudis taking over the club to giving Jamie Allen another year.
SBT in a nutshell.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #98
Terry_dactyl said:
Where has this talk of Saudis taking over a club come from?
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They're sniffing round a championship club. Millwall evidently then they came out and said not them
 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #99
Saddlebrains said:
They're sniffing round a championship club. Millwall evidently then they came out and said not them
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Surely not Pompey again?
 
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Martw

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #100
Saddlebrains said:
They're sniffing round a championship club. Millwall evidently then they came out and said not them
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Would the stadium ownership be a blocker do you think to any prospective owner? Mind you for a wealthy Saudi it would probably be a loose change issue to buy it. Have to say I had always sort of assumed Ashley would buy us but time had moved on without him doing so, maybe he really wasn’t interested in the first place?
 
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Terry_dactyl

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #101
Martw said:
Would the stadium ownership be a blocker do you think to any prospective owner? Mind you for a wealthy Saudi it would probably be a loose change issue to buy it. Have to say I had always sort of assumed Ashley would buy us but time had moved on without him doing so, maybe he really wasn’t interested in the first place?
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Yeah, do Man City own their stadium? I thought it was council owned?

Also…places foil hat firmly on head…if Ashley is already involved with us, hasn’t he overseen the sale a club to Saudis already…
 

Grendel

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #102
AFCCOVENTRY said:
We’ve become an attractive proposition now. Granted won’t be Saudi investment but we’re a club on the up, multiple Wembley appearances, class fan base and a high profile manager in Lampard. Best position we’ve been in ages.
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We won’t be sellable until the short licence becomes a long lease
 
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edgy

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #103
It won't be us. It never is.

And I don't think there's any need to delay the retained list because of a potential takeover.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #104
Terry_dactyl said:
Yeah, do Man City own their stadium? I thought it was council owned?

Also…places foil hat firmly on head…if Ashley is already involved with us, hasn’t he overseen the sale a club to Saudis already…
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Man City pay £3 m a year on the lease but get all naming rights monies as part of the deal. So they make a fortune for playing there.

Stadium cost less than ours to build
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • May 27, 2025
  • #105
Sounds silly but I’d imagine a Saudi takeover wouldn’t worry too much about the stadium. They'd have the funds to buy it or build a brand new one if they wanted to
 
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