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Request to waive NDA - email to Wasps, CCFC & Sisu (1 Viewer)

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CovInEssex

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #246
Possible to make a freedom of information request to the council asking a simple yes/no if they are the 3rd party?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #247
Saddlebrains said:
Im actually liking the fact they arent replying. Absolute guilt sign. Hundreds if not thousands on twitter giving them the hurry up and also asking for a response.

Silence says a lot in this case. Oh how the tide has turned
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Not like its a difficult questions. Just needs a simple yes or no. And one of those answers would indicate there is something to hide.
 

CovInEssex

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #248
MalcSB said:
IF the Ricoh was sold undervalue, as per the EU complaint, then -yes - CCC have propped up the wasps financially
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Also that the sale was all done behind closed doors with CCFC given no chance to bid
 

win9nut

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #249
CovInEssex said:
Also that the sale was all done behind closed doors with CCFC given no chance to bid
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or understand what they were bidding for, or time to complete due diligence, or understand that a 250 year deal was shortly going to follow...

Stitched up...
 
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Sky_Blue_Ste

Active Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #250
Wasps aren’t going to waive the NDA

Too many parties involved to waive it apparently

But they definitely didn’t need an indemnity apparently
 
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mr_monkey

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #251
Sky_Blue_Ste said:
Wasps aren’t going to waive the NDA

Too many parties involved to waive it apparently

But they definitely didn’t need an indemnity apparently
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Where have you heard that?
 

Frostie

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #252
mr_monkey said:
Where have you heard that?
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mr_monkey

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #253
Frostie said:
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Thanks mate

Not unexpected really
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #254
"We did not insist on an indemnity and that's that".

Strange, the council think it was just a discussion between tenant and landlord? Wasps think there are too many parties.
 
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ajsccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #255
Full statement


Clarification Statement

www.wasps.co.uk
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #256
ajsccfc said:
Full statement


Clarification Statement

www.wasps.co.uk
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That doesn't disprove anything at all.

Boddy says he let them know in writing about the deadline, names who he went to.

Wasps copy and paste "We were surprised".

It effectively just says "It was all SISU" without any actual detail.

However, we believe it is important to defend ourselves against the accusations levied at us, and to address and clarify certain points.
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Nothing is actually clarified though? If anything they have dropped the council in it.


Wasps don't think it was just a discussion between those 2 though, neither does Dave Boddy.
 

Tommo1993

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #257
Tying themselves in knots. CCFC throwing curveballs and Wasps missing each one.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #258
Wasps statement stinks of BS. Realistically who else is involved in talks around us playing at the Ricoh? You've got the council as freeholders who say they aren't involved, Wasps themselves and the football club (who have said they are happy to drop the NDA).
 
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SkyBlueTam

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #259
chiefdave said:
Wasps statement stinks of BS. Realistically who else is involved in talks around us playing at the Ricoh? You've got the council as freeholders who say they aren't involved, Wasps themselves and the football club (who have said they are happy to drop the NDA).
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The third party could be the catering company possibly? Especially if we we're after a bigger share of the F&B income.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #260
Can someone go back to Tom in twitter and point out Ccfc and Sisu didn’t say wasps had anything to hide. Mark and I sent an email to all parties and one responded to say ok if other parties said ok. It’s not clarity to repeat what you said earlier that the lead negotiator has taken issue with from the other side
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #261
Saddlebrains said:
Im actually liking the fact they arent replying. Absolute guilt sign.
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And now they have replied...?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #262
Deleted member 5849 said:
And now they have replied...?
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Doesn't really answer anything at all though does it? It doesn't disprove things that Boddy was saying either.

They don't even seem to know it was the fans who approached them ALL at the same time to ask for the NDA to be dropped. Wasps were cc'd n on the email.
 
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mr_monkey

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #263
Deleted member 5849 said:
And now they have replied...?
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Well tbf they might as well not replied as it's just the same as the other one in more words isn't it
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #264
mr_monkey said:
Well tbf they might as well not replied as it's just the same as the other one in more words isn't it
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"We didn't do that, we didn't do that, CCFC are wrong"
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #265
Nick said:
"We didn't do that, we didn't do that, CCFC are wrong"
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What else are they going to say?

This whole stuff should be the negotiations, not the statement wars. Now all we need is for Hoffman to pop up and offer to pay the rent, and we're back in 2013.
 
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cooperskyblue

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #266
I don't know what to make of it all to be honest, feels like piggy in the middle with contrasting claims coming from both sides. One side says there is an indemnity clause the other days that's a lie. Well there is only 1 way to find out for us fans to find out, and that is breaking this stupid NDA.
I would have though that if Wasps believe it is merely 'just a tactic by SISU' then call their bluff. Agree to waiving the NDA then expose SISU for lying about their being an indemnity.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #267
Sky Blue Pete said:
Can someone go back to Tom in twitter and point out Ccfc and Sisu didn’t say wasps had anything to hide. Mark and I sent an email to all parties and one responded to say ok if other parties said ok. It’s not clarity to repeat what you said earlier that the lead negotiator has taken issue with from the other side
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They said it was an implication which tbf it was.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #268
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #269
It’s just going to end up as another game of he said, she said. Best thing we can probably do is coming up with some very specific probing questions and get a journalist or Pete and Mark to ask them.

One might be “what other parties are involved in the NDA?”. Unfortunately it probably breaking the NDA to say so.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #270
djr8369 said:
They said it was an implication which tbf it was.
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Not really, Mark and Pete approached them all in the same email.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #271
Their implication, that Wasps has something to hide, is defamatory

It’s really not we asked cause we want transparency. That’s not defamation.
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #272
cooperskyblue said:
I don't know what to make of it all to be honest, feels like piggy in the middle with contrasting claims coming from both sides. One side says there is an indemnity clause the other days that's a lie. Well there is only 1 way to find out for us fans to find out, and that is breaking this stupid NDA.
I would have though that if Wasps believe it is merely 'just a tactic by SISU' then call their bluff. Agree to waiving the NDA then expose SISU for lying about their being an indemnity.
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Agree. I don't want to commit money to buy season tickets based on me believing sisu when they've been lying. On the flip side of that I don't want to not get them and deprive the club of money to find out it's wasps acting the twat.

I had to make decision last season based on the flimsiest of evidence, would be nice to be a bit more informed this season.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #273
Nick said:
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It’s the right way round though
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #274
djr8369 said:
It’s just going to end up as another game of he said, she said. Best thing we can probably do is coming up with some very specific probing questions and get a journalist or Pete and Mark to ask them.

One might be “what other parties are involved in the NDA?”. Unfortunately it probably breaking the NDA to say so.
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Yeah. It's easier said than done to get the answers that reveal things really. Asking questions to the people direct is probably not going to do it - really needs some undercover moles and whistleblowers
 
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jim20

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #275
“They have never communicated to us why they withdrew –“

this line in Wasps statement is a load of crap, in Boddys statement he explains it’s because of the EFL deadline...
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #276
Nick said:
"We didn't do that, we didn't do that, CCFC are wrong"
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CCFC: this is what happened, we have the evidence to back it up and are happy to release it
CCC: nothing to do with us
Wasps: that's not what happened but we won't let you release the evidence
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #277
Nick said:
Not really, Mark and Pete approached them all in the same email.
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It doesn’t matter. For all intents and purposes the club are saying drop it and wasps are saying they can’t. The implication, even though it’s not intentional, is they have something to hide.
I called this yesterday. It might mean they have something to hide but it might just mean the club know it can’t be dropped and so there’s no harm in them taking the opportunity presented by the email.
The long and the short of it is wasps can say “it can’t be dropped” and there’s nothing we can do about it unless we can find out who the other parties are.
 
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djr8369

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #278
Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah. It's easier said than done to get the answers that reveal things really. Asking questions to the people direct is probably not going to do it - really needs some undercover moles and whistleblowers
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Anything that is asked has to be done very carefully. Mark and Pete submitted a reasonable question about the NDA yet are now at the centre of an argument about why it can’t be dropped. It’s all very excited us thinking wasps have something to hide but there could be nothing in it and we’re back to arguing over who we should believe. Every action can have unforeseeable consequences.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #279
djr8369 said:
It doesn’t matter. For all intents and purposes the club are saying drop it and wasps are saying they can’t. The implication, even though it’s not intentional, is they have something to hide.
I called this yesterday. It might mean they have something to hide but it might just mean the club know it can’t be dropped and so there’s no harm in them taking the opportunity presented by the email.
The long and the short of it is wasps can say “it can’t be dropped” and there’s nothing we can do about it unless we can find out who the other parties are.
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Nope, the club said they were willing to in reply to fans. They were all CC'd into the same email.

The email is in here, all that was said was "we will if others will". They have chosen to take it that way.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 27, 2020
  • #280
clint van damme said:
Agree. I don't want to commit money to buy season tickets based on me believing sisu when they've been lying. On the flip side of that I don't want to not get them and deprive the club of money to find out it's wasps acting the twat.

I had to make decision last season based on the flimsiest of evidence, would be nice to be a bit more informed this season.
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