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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #71
Anyway have the decency to link the footage and slowmo it
 

SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #72
David O'Day said:
it shows it hit him above the line that is called the t-shirt line which as per the current laws says it is not handball
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I’ve watched the video multiple times and you can’t definitively say that it’s only hit him above the t-shirt line on any of the angles shown. You’re not going to get a decision like this overturned without clear-cut evidence to the contrary. Screenshots taken before he’s even made contact with the ball, like the ones people are throwing round on Twitter, aren’t enough. What’s the alternative anyway? That there is a grand refereeing conspiracy against Coventry City in an attempt to get us relegated? I’d rather trust a panel of experienced officials ahead of a bunch of partisan football fans who are desperate for on of their centre backs to not get a suspension ahead of a big game.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #73
Rejected but only 2 games ban
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #74
Sky Blue Pete said:
Rejected but only 2 games ban
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So doubled for having the cheek to ask.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #75
wingy said:
So doubled for having the cheek to ask.
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No no addition for appealing
 
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #76
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I’ve watched the video multiple times and you can’t definitively say that it’s only hit him above the t-shirt line on any of the angles shown. You’re not going to get a decision like this overturned without clear-cut evidence to the contrary. Screenshots taken before he’s even made contact with the ball, like the ones people are throwing round on Twitter, aren’t enough. What’s the alternative anyway? That there is a grand refereeing conspiracy against Coventry City in an attempt to get us relegated? I’d rather trust a panel of experienced officials ahead of a bunch of partisan football fans who are desperate for on of their centre backs to not get a suspension ahead of a big game.
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If it it's somewhere else and deflects on to his arm from a short distance it's also as per the laws that are currently in place not a pen.

Also it's clear it hits his shoulder area
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #77
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I’ve watched the video multiple times and you can’t definitively say that it’s only hit him above the t-shirt line on any of the angles shown. You’re not going to get a decision like this overturned without clear-cut evidence to the contrary. Screenshots taken before he’s even made contact with the ball, like the ones people are throwing round on Twitter, aren’t enough. What’s the alternative anyway? That there is a grand refereeing conspiracy against Coventry City in an attempt to get us relegated? I’d rather trust a panel of experienced officials ahead of a bunch of partisan football fans who are desperate for on of their centre backs to not get a suspension ahead of a big game.
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Well it's not really that special ,if we have Var now it's not that.mutch of a stretch to have a decent level of verification on ref decisions retrospectively ,oh hang on jeez IDK now

What are people's views of Var Lol.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #78
Sky Blue Pete said:
No no addition for appealing
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Ah

Still a joke punishment considering the it's a subjective refs opinion ,cost during a game, subsequent game and then one more .
 
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mrtrench

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #79
SBS said:
Win some you lose some. Were you complaining after Notts County away?
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I'm not complaining; I'm not even expressing an opinion on VAR and certainly not on whether it was a penalty or not. I'm just musing.

"You win some you lose some" is certainly a valid opinion. But I can also understand people thinking that's unacceptable when if you lose more than you win you might lose £millions. What if your bank randomly rounded your balance to an even £hundred every now and then? Is "you win some you lose some" fine in those circumstances? You'd probably be happy when they rounded up - but what if they rounded down 10 times in a row over the period of a month - and most of them immediately after your salary had been paid in. Still OK? And the amounts of money at risk in football are far greater.
 
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hill83

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #80
Are people really suggesting corruption? Have a day of ffs. This place. Ha ha
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #81
There was about as much chance of this being successful as them upholding Wednesday's 12 points
 
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mrtrench

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #82
hill83 said:
Are people really suggesting corruption? Have a day of ffs. This place. Ha ha
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Aha! I always suspected that you were part of the conspiracy.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #83
mrtrench said:
I'm not complaining; I'm not even expressing an opinion on VAR and certainly not on whether it was a penalty or not. I'm just musing.

"You win some you lose some" is certainly a valid opinion. But I can also understand people thinking that's unacceptable when if you lose more than you win you might lose £millions. What if your bank randomly rounded your balance to an even £hundred every now and then? Is "you win some you lose some" fine in those circumstances? You'd probably be happy when they rounded up - but what if they rounded down 10 times in a row over the period of a month - and most of them immediately after your salary had been paid in. Still OK? And the amounts of money at risk in football are far greater.
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I bet the Wolves fans and management foster this opinion .
I'd concur having witnessed a fair number of their games which indeed didn't balance out with the round up theory.
 

hill83

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #84
mrtrench said:
Aha! I always suspected that you were part of the conspiracy.
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David O'Day

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #85
hill83 said:
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The Hilluminati
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #86
David O'Day said:
The Hilluminati
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The Humiliati
 

SBS

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #87
mrtrench said:
I'm not complaining; I'm not even expressing an opinion on VAR and certainly not on whether it was a penalty or not. I'm just musing.

"You win some you lose some" is certainly a valid opinion. But I can also understand people thinking that's unacceptable when if you lose more than you win you might lose £millions. What if your bank randomly rounded your balance to an even £hundred every now and then? Is "you win some you lose some" fine in those circumstances? You'd probably be happy when they rounded up - but what if they rounded down 10 times in a row over the period of a month - and most of them immediately after your salary had been paid in. Still OK? And the amounts of money at risk in football are far greater.
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Fair enough, think I got the wrong impression of your original post.

For me VAR was / is never going to work, there’s so many disagreements amongst pundits even after minutes of slow motion replays. Rules now being changed to try and suit it but it won’t solve anything. Would love to see City in the PL but would hate dealing with that crap every week.
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #88
hill83 said:
Are people really suggesting corruption? Have a day of ffs. This place. Ha ha
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I think the ref made a big mistake that may or may not have cost us a point(s) but I would have no concerns having him ref any of our future games. In the big picture he’s been consistently better than most.
 
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pusbccfc

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #89
We've had absolutely no luck all season with these decisions. Surely we'll get something at some point?
 

Frostie

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #90

Looks pretty clear from this that it hits upper arm/shirt sleeve so, by the new rule NOT handball.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 18, 2021
  • #91
If they're going by 'clear and obvious' as a reason for overturning then it's not clear and obvious as we can't even agree on here with our sky blue specs on and the refs decision should stand.
 
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Otis

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #92
Yup, I don't believe it was handball, but the appeal board are never going to overturn that are they. Like you say, not clear and obvious.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #93
Sky Blue Pete said:
No no addition for appealing
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Isn’t it 2 because it’s his 2nd sending off this season? The offence is normally a 1 game ban I thought.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #94
Ian1779 said:
Isn’t it 2 because it’s his 2nd sending off this season? The offence is normally a 1 game ban I thought.
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Yep so no extra game for appealing
 
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mrtrench

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #95
I'm not great with the rules but morally it looks like handball to me. He moves his arm up towards the ball and steps away. Had he stepped into the ball and it hit the same place without raising his arm (and he appears to have time to do so), it would have been a great and legal block.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #96
Would anyone else like to see Kelly dropped back as the sweeper/central CB in McFadz' absence? He can read the game well, tackles well and is the leader on and off the pitch. Think he'd bring the games of Hyam, Osti and Rose up a notch and also reduce his exposure to manic running about the pitch trying to cover everyone elses job and therefore reduce the risk of injury.
 

Otis

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #97
Happy_Martian said:
Would anyone else like to see Kelly dropped back as the sweeper/central CB in McFadz' absence? He can read the game well, tackles well and is the leader on and off the pitch. Think he'd bring the games of Hyam, Osti and Rose up a notch and also reduce his exposure to manic running about the pitch trying to cover everyone elses job and therefore reduce the risk of injury.
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Too small and do we even know if he is any good in the air?
 

mrtrench

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #98
Otis said:
Too small and do we even know if he is any good in the air?
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Having seen his tackle profile, I think he could rise to the occasion.
 
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Briles

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #99
shmmeee said:
Now you can be wrong together
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If you've got facebook have a look at this angle. Pretty conclusive. He moves his hand towards the ball and stops it. Everyone commenting in here im guessing has only seen the front angle. So I'll let you off. But you're wrong

https://www.facebook.com/
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #100
mrtrench said:
I'm not great with the rules but morally it looks like handball to me. He moves his arm up towards the ball and steps away. Had he stepped into the ball and it hit the same place without raising his arm (and he appears to have time to do so), it would have been a great and legal block.
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That's not the laws though. It can't be handball if it doesn't hit a part of the body that counts as a handball. Intent does not matter, if you got to handball it but don't it is not a handball.
 
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TM8792

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #101
Hopefully they ban Fadz for a few extra games now the appeal has been dismissed.
 
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Frostie

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #102
Briles said:
If you've got facebook have a look at this angle. Pretty conclusive. He moves his hand towards the ball and stops it. Everyone commenting in here im guessing has only seen the front angle. So I'll let you off. But you're wrong

https://www.facebook.com/
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Link doesn't work.

I've posted the view from behind earlier in the thread which shows it hitting his upper arm. You're literally contradicting yourself, earlier in the thread you said it hit his armpit which, by current definition, is NOT handball.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #103
David O'Day said:
That's not the laws though. It can't be handball if it doesn't hit a part of the body that counts as a handball. Intent does not matter, if you got to handball it but don't it is not a handball.
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Ah but he moved unaturally ,then he moved his arm ,yeah to try and avoid the ball hitting it,ah but then he turned his upper body cheeky bugger trying to shield it away rather than into the net .
 

David O'Day

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #104
wingy said:
Ah but he moved unaturally ,then he moved his arm ,yeah to try and avoid the ball hitting it,ah but then he turned his upper body cheeky bugger trying to shield it away rather than into the net .
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It's a badly written law that is changing next season but short distance deflections do negate handballs.
 
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steve cooper

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  • Mar 19, 2021
  • #105
Otis said:
Yup, I don't believe it was handball, but the appeal board are never going to overturn that are they. Like you say, not clear and obvious.
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They won't normally overturn a referee's decision unless it is something like mistaken identity. Especially when a penalty is involved and/or the result is affected.
Out of interest does anyone know why Rotherham's Smith sending off was overturned?
If the sending off had cost Rotherham points the decision to overturn it would have been much more difficult.
 
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