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Tommo1993

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #456
Deleted member 5849 said:
Never really been the right moment!
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Yeah I suppose so. But still, carpé diem, I never bloody learn.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #457
Did the BBC reporter at 6 just say the killer approached "the gay men " or the "8 men" in the park ?
My hearing's not brilliant sometimes but I hope they didn't say " gay" . Its irrelevant .
 

hill83

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #458
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Did the BBC reporter at 6 just say the killer approached "the gay men " or the "8 men" in the park ?
My hearing's not brilliant sometimes but I hope they didn't say " gay" . Its irrelevant .
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It is relevant if they think that’s part of the reason they were attacked which I’ve seen suggested.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #459
hill83 said:
It is relevant if they think that’s part of the reason they were attacked which I’ve seen suggested.
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Absolutely right. But I thought no, they must have said "8" because if they said "gay " they would have then added that police were looking into the possibility that you put forward, but they didn't. It seemed totally without context.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #460
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Absolutely right. But I thought no, they must have said "8" because if they said "gay " they would have then added that police were looking into the possibility that you put forward, but they didn't. It seemed totally without context.
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One of the victims was definitely gay so it may indicate a motive for the attack
 

Tommo1993

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #461
Speculation. Could’ve just killed a gay man by chance.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #462
Tommo1993 said:
Speculation. Could’ve just killed a gay man by chance.
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Now transpires both named victims were gay.
Sounds like he attacked a group of gay men. Could be coincidence but it does make you wonder if they were specifically targeted.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #463
According to C4 news all 3 men were gay and they were interviewing members of the gay community in Reading who knew all 3 men as part of the community. Everyone has been quick to point out though at this minute there’s no suggestion that the men were targeted specifically because of their sexuality.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #464
skybluetony176 said:
Everyone has been quick to point out though at this minute there’s no suggestion that the men were targeted specifically because of their sexuality.
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Unless there was some sort of pride event going on how would the attacker know?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #465
Before we go too far down this route we need to bear in mind he was on MI5s radar.
Do we know whether he targeted this group or just went into the park and attacked the first group he came across? If he ignored other people on the way to the killings then he may well have had them in mind but I've no idea of where in the park this took place and the proximity of others to the killer at the time.
 

Skybluefaz

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #466
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Before we go too far down this route we need to bear in mind he was on MI5s radar.
Do we know whether he targeted this group or just went into the park and attacked the first group he came across? If he ignored other people on the way to the killings then he may well have had them in mind but I've no idea of where in the park this took place and the proximity of others to the killer at the time.
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Fucking hell, have we been assigned to the case?
 
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hill83

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #467
Skybluefaz said:
Fucking hell, have we been assigned to the case?
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Not you, you are too much of a renegade that refuses to play by the rules. We need this one done by the book.
 
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Skybluefaz

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #468
hill83 said:
Not you, you are too much of a renegade that refuses to play by the rules. We need this one done by the book.
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I'm too old for this shit
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #469
hill83 said:
Not you, you are too much of a renegade that refuses to play by the rules. We need this one done by the book.
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I'd do it but I'm one day from retirement.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #470
I don't care what the chief says, I'm giving Greggs his badge back.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #471
Not seen this mentioned on the thread but its being reported that intelligence agency sources believe he had mental health problems. Also saw a news report where they'd spoken to his neighbours who said he had regular visits from the local mental health team.

If it turns out that mental health issues played a part I really hope its not going to be down to sticking someone vulnerable in prison where he's been radicalised for lack of a better term.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #472
hill83 said:
Not you, you are too much of a renegade that refuses to play by the rules. We need this one done by the book.
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Grendel

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #473
chiefdave said:
Not seen this mentioned on the thread but its being reported that intelligence agency sources believe he had mental health problems. Also saw a news report where they'd spoken to his neighbours who said he had regular visits from the local mental health team.

If it turns out that mental health issues played a part I really hope its not going to be down to sticking someone vulnerable in prison where he's been radicalised for lack of a better term.
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Thomas Maer has mental health issues. I really fail to understand your point - anyone radicalised generally has mental health issues uses recreational drugs on An excessive scale and is a loner. Did you want to give him a hug?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #474
Skybluefaz said:
Fucking hell, have we been assigned to the case?
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If you want, but whatever the outcome, I'd have him hung, slowly.
 
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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #475
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Before we go too far down this route we need to bear in mind he was on MI5s radar.
Do we know whether he targeted this group or just went into the park and attacked the first group he came across? If he ignored other people on the way to the killings then he may well have had them in mind but I've no idea of where in the park this took place and the proximity of others to the killer at the time.
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When you say he was on MI5's radar, he was brought to the attention of the security services last year because of a rumour about him investigating going to Syria (or Libya, depending on which version you read).
MI5 reportedly investigated the report and decided there was no further action required. So it's more likely the case that he dropped OFF MI5's radar!

Meanwhile, as per an earlier post of mine - he murdered three people in cold blood. Why the fuck does it matter what his motivation was (white, black, gay, infidels, Martians)?. I don't give a shit what his ideology is - he's a mass murderer, full stop!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #476
hill83 said:
Not you, you are too much of a renegade that refuses to play by the rules. We need this one done by the book.
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He always gets the result in the end.

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Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 22, 2020
  • #477
Bit insulting that articles are being published with the guys family saying how he was a "lovely lad".

Yeah, top bloke.
 

dutchman

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  • Jun 23, 2020
  • #478
chiefdave said:
Not seen this mentioned on the thread but its being reported that intelligence agency sources believe he had mental health problems.
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As opposed to a 'normal' random killer?
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 23, 2020
  • #479
Of course it’s relevant. It’s a targeted attack on a section of the community based on warped religious ideology. Let’s not brush over it just because it doesn’t fit the current narrative
 
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 23, 2020
  • #480
Nick said:
Bit insulting that articles are being published with the guys family saying how he was a "lovely lad".

Yeah, top bloke.
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to be fair there is context to it if you read the whole quote and I don't think there is anything wrong with the comments I've read from the family.

i think it would be worse if they turned round and said he was a wrong un and we suspected something like this would happen.
 
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Macca

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  • Jun 23, 2020
  • #481
fernandopartridge said:
He always gets the result in the end.

Sent from my ELE-L29 using Tapatalk
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it was his last day on the force. Was going to retire with his old lady. Get a little place in the mountains, do a little fishing, now it’s all gone
 
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hill83

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  • Jun 23, 2020
  • #482
Macca said:
it was his last day on the force. Was going to retire with his old lady. Get a little place in the mountains, do a little fishing, now it’s all gone
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Just one more case, we need someone who can control your maverick new partner on his first assignment off the desk.
 
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