italiahorse
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Only if Sisu want that.
Common sense says that a good long term rent deal is better than building a new stadium outside Coventry.
It increases the likelihood of us disappearing somewhere else in the future.
Why wouldn't I. I'm fucking rich and georgous.
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Only if Sisu want that.
Common sense says that a good long term rent deal is better than building a new stadium outside Coventry.
It is said that people like a sense of humour!
Bet you were all for SISU coming in, as you never considered the long term affect...
Just meant to ask, is it okay to put up a private email reply? Nothing contentious here.
He's hardly dazzled you with an exclusive, has he
(or she!)
I would also just add, that people would accept say a 10 year deal here, because the other option as it stands is for CCFC to move out in 4 years time and we all pretty much agree that there will be no new stadium, so we would have to go off and ground share anyway.
All this of course is based on our owners own words. They say 'new stadium,' we don't believe it.
I think we're currently in a 2+2 deal Otis - so SISU or Wasps could move the club out of the Ricoh again at the end of next season I think.
I think we're currently in a 2+2 deal Otis - so SISU or Wasps could move the club out of the Ricoh again at the end of next season I think.
My point here remains; if we're not willing to stand against Wasps being moved now, we'll hardly have grounds for complaint if SISU decide to take us away from Coventry again in the future.
At this point in time I think there's actually the risk that something that was mostly intended as a bluff (the new stadium), really does become a financial reality because there is no other option. If that stadium turns out to be outside Coventry, even a long way outside, how can we complain.
Just meant to ask, is it okay to put up a private email reply? Nothing contentious here.
Wasps being at the stadium could mean reduced rental for CCFC.
The stadium will be more high profile with 2 teams and this could turn to our advantage.
Wasps are coming no doubt, so we should concentrate our efforts on getting guarantees for CCFC on incomes related to football.
But what a ridiculous name "A Councillor" I ask you..
Lucky they chose the vocation they did.
I sincerely hope not. I hope that somehow Sisu see sense here and get invoved/put a bid in, whatever, into making the Rioch our permanent long term home.
I don't like the idea of a Wasps takeover of ACL, but I just can't see that SISU could afford to outbid them. I think that if the deal goes through we have to try to get the CCC to covenant that CCFC have access at a reasonable rate (CCC are still holding 10% and that will have influence)
We can all have our own theories as to what SISU are up to, but in truth we just can't be certain. My current theory is that SISU are a bust flush and as such I fear for my club. But who can really be sure?
If the deal is to go through, we need included in part of the deal, a binding agreement that states that CCFC can play at the Ricoh for the next 99 years, or the longest it can possibly be.
That's all well and good, but without access to additional revenues, we're gonna be stuck at square one, championship at best for a lifetime. With the modest profits in ACL I can't see why wasps would want to sell them on n the future. No parking, no F&B's and they will likely want to to have half the Pitchside advertising. Looks very bleak to me
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Not as bleak as us leaving in 4 years and having nowhere to play though, Stu. That scenario for me is so much worse.
Is Sisu can't distress ACL or get the Ricoh on the cheap they seem dead set on moving to a new stadium that we pretty all believe will never, ever be built.
Both the scenarios you suggest - Stu and Otis - are entirely believable but both are negative. Is there any positive way forward?
Yep. Sisu buy the Ricoh and with ACL and CCC not at all trusting them, caveats are put in place to protect the Arena for the people of Coventry.
So just bumping this thread up to see what people are feeling about a protest on Tuesday.
Are Wasps and Cov Rfc fans there?
If not what do we actually want as CCFC fans ?
I was up for it but now I don't think I'll be there, depending on what else comes out of course. What would we actually be protesting about? SISU have been clear that they aren't interested in bidding for the Ricoh and are building us our own ground. We have a contract in place until that point and existing contracts would be honoured as the contract is with ACL and that company would still exist no matter who owned it.
I'd be interested to know this. I'd certainly give my full support to any protest by Wasps of CRFC fans, have they organised anything?
awful lot of misinformation bouncing around it seems. To me its a battle of hearts and minds. Heart says franchise team dropping in is wrong, head says that doesn't mean it has to make things worse for CCFC
we know
- The freehold is not for sale
- an interest in ACL is for sale
- Joy Seppala has said she will not interfere in any stakeholder interest disposal of ACL
- CCC are going to put the proposals to a vote of its members
- Joy Seppala said clearly they are going to build the club its own ground ie they do not want to be at the Ricoh long term
- apart from the owners of CCFC no one has said they do not want CCFC at the Ricoh long term
- CCFC currently rent space for 6 hours before a match and 4 hours after and other than two badges have no link or commitment to the Ricoh Arena
- CCFC have a two year rent deal with an option for 2 more - a 4 year time frame asked for and set by CCFC
A lot of the rest being said is just guess work and conjecture
We are told that CCC should offer and fix a price to sell ACL (the freehold has never been for sale to anyone) then communicate that to the owners of CCFC who have repeatedly, at length and over many months told everyone they do not want it. How does that make sense in reality other than in the hopes of fans that there might be some change of need in either party, particularly SISU?
The problem for fans, is a fear of the unknown, the continued uncertainty and what that means for CCFC, and the generally held consensus that franchise sport is not a good thing because it essentially breaks communities. I get that, my heart says this doesn't feel right but my head says it might actually be an opportunity to build something - except the owners have no interest they say of building anything in any sense at the Ricoh.
The football club must have the normal football club revenues in order to be successful. I get that too. BUT you do not need to own the stadium or ACL to do that. Most clubs (including some premiership ones) do not have access of any sort to the kind of other facilities the Ricoh offers. I have to assume that promoters etc put exhibitions, events, concerts on at the Ricoh because it makes them money and that it can be done 365 days a year....... the promoters do not own the Ricoh or ACL but they do it all the same. I therefore have to assume that CCFC choose not to do these things. Why is that if Turnover & income is so important?
Fans worry we haven't been told first, by bodies not charged with running the football team, what is going on, that we are worried because having got back to Ricoh new owners might force us out. Quite rightly the Council officers have said they must tell the council members first but their responsibility is to the City not CCFC. The club still has the length and kind of tenure it wanted at the Ricoh and that is contractually sound even if the ownership of ACL changes so should we worry about being forced out - it seems to me it is the owners of CCFC that are choosing life elsewhere - the fans choice is do we follow.
That really only leaves us to protest the principle that franchising a team (any team) is wrong. That should be more than just CCFC fans doing that though surely, right?
anyone go to MK dons this season, last season etc....................... :thinking about:
I am the same. Was considering protesting, but the Seppala statement knocked the wind right out of my sails.
If Sisu aren't going to 'interfere' andget involved with negotiating for a large chunk of the Ricoh, then what are we protesting against other than the franchising of Wasps? And though that is something I am not at all happy about, the first priority has to be Coventry City for me.
Beginning to feel like this is a sign of how many people have given up on CCFC and/or feel defeated. If at Highfield Road we'd been told we were going to be the junior partner to a west London rugby club and Wasps signs started to go up on the stands do you think no one would have done anything about it?
If at Highfield Road we'd been told we were going to be the junior partner to a west London rugby club and Wasps signs started to go up on the stands do you think no one would have done anything about it?
Problem is unless we're going to try and register it as a community asset and buy it ourselves (as in the fans not SISU) what can we do? Our owners repeatedly say they are not interested in the Ricoh and are building a new ground. We can't force them to buy it.
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