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Petition SISU to sell the club (2 Viewers)

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Captain Dart

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #176
ajsccfc said:
Might be getting a bit more widespread coverage

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Henry Winter has over 1M followers. Times chief sports writer, very influential guy.
 
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Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #177
Captain Dart said:
Henry Winter has over 1M followers. Very influential guy.
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That's really pleasing and gets the message out to a whole wider audience. Well done Henry Winter!
 
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Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #178
Moff said:
That's really pleasing and gets the message out to a whole wider audience. Well done Henry Winter!
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I'm hoping there will be a few articles in the national papers this week, David Conn (Guardian) sort of hinted at that.
 
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Colin Steins Smile

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #179
Nick said:
It is defeatist to say that sadly SISU won't give a shit about an online petition?

I guess it is defeatist to wonder why there isn't a peep about the academy?
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I think you are right that SISU will not care about this petition, but if the club were sold for a low figure [given CCFC has little or no assets], then the environment for a deal to be achieved to save the academy is more realistic. That means CCC, Wasps, Warwick University , etc being confident of doing business with CCFC. Currently, that is not the case and until SISU leave, then there appears to be no resolution
 
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Buster

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #180
Nick said:
They will have seen everything that has gone on over the years, I am not just saying it to put a dampener on things
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Yes you are
 
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jimmyhillsfanclub

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #181
Stan Collymores signed & tweeted it now too.....hes got over 800k followers....
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #182
Buster said:
Yes you are
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Sorry for being realistic and not getting carried away just yet..
 

Fergusons_Beard

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #183
I have just started a petition to find someone willing to buy the club.

www.justgiving.com/nofookinchance


It went in off Ferguson's beard....
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #184
ajsccfc said:
Might be getting a bit more widespread coverage

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Does that mean that we have to add Telegraph Media Group as well as Trinity Mirror Group to the ever growing list of organisations secretly plotting to overthrow SISU?
 
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Silsden

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #185
Captain Dart said:
I'm hoping there will be a few articles in the national papers this week, David Conn (Guardian) sort of hinted at that.
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I know David quite well, he lives nearby up here in Yorkshire and has done some really interesting talks at my pub on ownership of football clubs. He's very sympathetic to our situation and I'm sure he'll help get as much coverage as he can
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #186
Over 7000 now. Getting towards saturday and oldhams attendance
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #187
This is all well and good however we could get 10 million signatures still won't make them do anything she doesn't want to do, you all appreciate that don't you?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #188
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
This is all well and good however we could get 10 million signatures still won't make them do anything she doesn't want to do, you all appreciate that don't you?
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I have tried to say that
 

jimmyhillsfanclub

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #189
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...d-plan-to-build-240-homes.68423/#post-1165208

While everyone looks the other way.....
 
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chiefdave

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #190
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/exclusive-wasps’-council-backed-plan-to-build-240-homes.68423/#post-1165208

While everyone looks the other way.....
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Sure its just another coincidence that Wasps who, according to their owner Richardson, aren't interested in property development 'I’m not a property developer, I’ve never developed anything in my life. I’ve never thought of this as something I might make profit from.' are now moving into property development.

Building on green belt land no less that requires CCC to change the city plan. Wonder if they purchased the land at a price reflecting the restrictions in place or a price appropriate to a site being developed for housing?

Seem to recall when we were talking about a stadium within the city boundary many were saying it was impossible if it wasn't in the city plan as that couldn't be changed.

How much more evidence do people need that the council and Wasps are working hand in hand?
 
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skyblueinBaku

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #191
That link to the Observer article doesn't work for me.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #192
Interesting that the council wouldn't let Seven Trent build there but are supporting Wasps plans. Another coincidence no doubt.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #193
Can we keep the Wasps / Houses stuff in that thread

http://skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/wasps-council-conspire-again.68424/
 

Samo

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #194
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
This is all well and good however we could get 10 million signatures still won't make them do anything she doesn't want to do, you all appreciate that don't you?
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Yes. What do you suggest? More apathy?
 
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oucho

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #195
Have people thought of what might happen if CCFC do leave to play at the BPA (fat chance, IMO) then after a while Wasps decide the move to Cov hasn't worked, then agree with the council to demolish the Ricoh and build houses on it??? That couldn't easily happen if we have a long term lease on the Ricoh, but if we cut ourselves adrift into a small stadium, with no hope of returning to the Ricoh, then we really will be a small L1 outfit.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #196
oucho said:
Have people thought of what might happen if CCFC do leave to play at the BPA (fat chance, IMO) then after a while Wasps decide the move to Cov hasn't worked, then agree with the council to demolish the Ricoh and build houses on it??? That couldn't easily happen if we have a long term lease on the Ricoh, but if we cut ourselves adrift into a small stadium, with no hope of returning to the Ricoh, then we really will be a small L1 outfit.
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So we should signup to a long term agreement to make sure the Ricoh can't be knocked down that we don't own?
 

oucho

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #197
Nick said:
So we should signup to a long term agreement to make sure the Ricoh can't be knocked down that we don't own?
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On reasonable terms, yes. I don't understand why anyone thinks that a long term deal at the Ricoh is a bad idea. You certainly haven't shown why it's a bad idea, have just tried (and failed) to ridicule my ideas.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #198
oucho said:
On reasonable terms, yes. I don't understand why anyone thinks that a long term deal at the Ricoh is a bad idea. You certainly haven't shown why it's a bad idea, have just tried (and failed) to ridicule my ideas.
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1 good reason is how offputting it is to potential new owners if we want sisu to sell up.

Surely it will limit our growth just as much if we are trying to run "break even"?

Not to mention the fact of it being Wasps ground, branded as wasps etc.

How good a deal do you think we will get there?
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #199
Samo said:
Yes. What do you suggest? More apathy?
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If I knew how to resolve the situation is have done it by now my friend.
 
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oucho

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #200
Nick said:
1 good reason is how offputting it is to potential new owners if we want sisu to sell up.

Surely it will limit our growth just as much if we are trying to run "break even"?

Not to mention the fact of it being Wasps ground, branded as wasps etc.

How good a deal do you think we will get there?
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I would be an asset to us to have a long-term home sorted on reasonable terms. No investor is going to like the "we're homeless" or the "we're playing in a shoebox now" model. With the right terms and by encouraging fans back, we can break even - a lease at the Ricoh is not a barrier to that.

Come on, have you even thought this through?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #201
oucho said:
I would be an asset to us to have a long-term home sorted on reasonable terms. No investor is going to like the "we're homeless" or the "we're playing in a shoebox now" model. With the right terms and by encouraging fans back, we can break even - a lease at the Ricoh is not a barrier to that.

Come on, have you even thought this through?
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I am not saying being homeless, I am saying they would have more options.

Ask this, why would somebody buy us over other clubs?
 

covmark

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  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #202
Samo said:
Yes. What do you suggest? More apathy?
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What he says is true though mate.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #203
Nick said:
Ask this, why would somebody buy us over other clubs?
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Potentially-huge fan-base
Based at a PL-standard stadium, which brings its own prestige
Low initial running costs
Low purchase price
Academy producing good young players
Big name and brand awareness (more so than the other clubs in this league anyway)
Quality big-name manager
Negligible down-side.

That's why.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #204
oucho said:
Potentially-huge fan-base
Based at a PL-standard stadium, which brings its own prestige
Low initial running costs
Low purchase price
Academy producing good young players
Big name and brand awareness (more so than the other clubs in this league anyway)
Quality big-name manager
Negligible down-side.

That's why.
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Where's the potentially huge fan base? You really must forget about one offs and think about what CCFC's fan base looks like over the last 30 years. It rarely achieved an average gate in excess of 20k, that is not a huge fan base.

Low running costs and purchase price yes, but would need significant investment to bring any sort of return if ever.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #205
what number does the petition have to hit to make sisu sell? lol
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #206
oucho said:
Potentially-huge fan-base
Based at a PL-standard stadium, which brings its own prestige
Low initial running costs
Low purchase price
Academy producing good young players
Big name and brand awareness (more so than the other clubs in this league anyway)
Quality big-name manager
Negligible down-side.

That's why.
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Based at... Why wouldn't they go somewhere they could buy the stadium also?

How much would need investing to push us on?

How much investment would be needed to get the huge fan base back?
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #207
Our decline from premiership to bottom of league one has coincided with us losing our status as stadium owners and having access to all the available revenue streams. I'd be hesitant about signing a long term lease as it means we will not have access to that revenue any time soon.

Look at the finances of teams in the championship, almost all make a loss and almost all own their stadium and generate revenue from it. If we were ever to fluke a promotion then we would, without a massively favourable rent, be unable to financially compete in the second tier.

Also signed the petition but not with any hope our situation will change.
 

oucho

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #208
fernandopartridge said:
Where's the potentially huge fan base? You really must forget about one offs and think about what CCFC's fan base looks like over the last 30 years. It rarely achieved an average gate in excess of 20k, that is not a huge fan base.

Low running costs and purchase price yes, but would need significant investment to bring any sort of return if ever.
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Relative to other teams in this league, look what happens when we can be successful. We had 22k home fans in the stadium when we played Leeds in 2010, similar number for the Ricoh return and Crewe games. If we were consistently successful we could regularly get near these numbers, which is a far more than most L1 or even champ teams.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #209
jimmyhillsfanclub said:
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/exclusive-wasps’-council-backed-plan-to-build-240-homes.68423/#post-1165208

While everyone looks the other way.....
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Interesting: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10009125/officers

Company established in February 2016. 90:10 ownership - Derek Richardson: David Armstrong
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2016
  • #210
oucho said:
Relative to other teams in this league, look what happens when we can be successful. We had 22k home fans in the stadium when we played Leeds in 2010, similar number for the Ricoh return and Crewe games. If we were consistently successful we could regularly get near these numbers, which is a far more than most L1 or even champ teams.
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Did you miss the bit about ignoring the one offs?
 
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