Grendel
Well-Known Member
It doesn’t - they are a government - governments have to negotiate and deal with unpleasant people. It’s real world.
Individuals don’t have to be close personal friends with violent murderers.
It makes the Tories attempts to use it against him in the election look laughable.
Would you be defending Corbyn so much if he was the Tory leader?It makes the Tories attempts to use it against him in the election look laughable.
Laughable if you want to defend him.
Would you be defending Corbyn so much if he was the Tory leader?
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy on here on defending someone because he is the Labour leader but having a go at Tories that are nowhere near as bad.I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the Tories and their voters. I have no time for murderous bigots on both sides of the argument. I've posted on here before about how the conflict impacted my own family personally.
I'm pointing out the hypocrisy on here on defending someone because he is the Labour leader but having a go at Tories that are nowhere near as bad.
I'm not defending him, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it all.
My point is that someone with a very dodgy past should not be leader of the Labour party. He could become PM.I'm not defending him, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of it all.
My point is that someone with a very dodgy past should not be leader of the Labour party. He could become PM.
Would you like to point out where I have defended anyone? I have had a go at all of them. But only Corbyn has been defended.
So where is the hypocrisy?
If Corbyn is still leader of Labour my vote will go to an independent or I will abstain.It looks like we know where your ballot is going to be crossed at the next election
MP's have morals? There are some good ones. But most are in it for what they can get out of it. And we are just the scum on their shoe. They only want to know us at election time.I'm not calling you a hypocrite, I'm referring the Tories who went on about JC and the IRA but then get into get with a party like the DUP. You'd have thought their morals would have been more important than clinging onto power.
If Corbyn is still leader of Labour my vote will go to an independent or I will abstain.
MP's have morals? There are some good ones. But most are in it for what they can get out of it. And we are just the scum on their shoe. They only want to know us at election time.
Like I said there are some good ones. But I don't trust the majority of them.My MP is Peter Kyle who is excellent so he'd always get my vote. I'm increasingly worried about the power that Momentum is gaining within the party.
Before Momentum, the Labour Party was being taken down the path of turning into the Tories with Progress et al. It has helped to restore a lot of the core labour values back into the party. I do agree there needs to be caution and any control needs to be tempered and keep representation as wide as possible.My MP is Peter Kyle who is excellent so he'd always get my vote. I'm increasingly worried about the power that Momentum is gaining within the party.
Before Momentum, the Labour Party was being taken down the path of turning into the Tories with Progress et al. It has helped to restore a lot of the core labour values back into the party. I do agree there needs to be caution and any control needs to be tempered and keep representation as wide as possible.
Equally ridiculous the other way however. The stupidist thing Labour did was force Corbyn into a corner. It's safe to say there's a mood for change in the country, and that means moving away from Blair's policies and era. I remain convinced Corbyn is only in charge because he ended up there, and because nobody wants to offer a viable left-leaning alternative. I also remain convinced that if instead of outright rebellion against him, his MPs had offered an alternative, he'd have stepped aside.It's ridiculous when they talk about deselecting elected MPs that they don't like, like Peter Kyle for example.
Equally ridiculous the other way however. The stupidist thing Labour did was force Corbyn into a corner. It's safe to say there's a mood for change in the country, and that means moving away from Blair's policies and era. I remain convinced Corbyn is only in charge because he ended up there, and because nobody wants to offer a viable left-leaning alternative. I also remain convinced that if instead of outright rebellion against him, his MPs had offered an alternative, he'd have stepped aside.
Instead they fought, and because of that they see Corbyn's supporters fight back. This, rather than policy or personality, is why the Conservatives win more elections, they know they need to present a certain face to the electorate to do so.
It's ridiculous when they talk about deselecting elected MPs that they don't like, like Peter Kyle for example.
At the moment they are also disregarding views of long-term Labour voters and will eventually cost the party votes. The UK is conservative with a small c, to get into power Labour can't go down the route of the unelected Momentum.
Labour do not have to offer the opposite of everything that the Tories offer. But they do have to appeal to the man on the street. And then they have to keep up with the promises.Labour cannot go exclusively down the route of Momentum, but equally they have to offer a clear distinction from what the Conservatives offer.
Labour also need to show a united front, and there are some Labour MP's that do not desire a Lab government. They really need to decide if this is really the party for them.
How old were you in the 80’s out of interest?
Maggie was guilty of things. But there is a lot of deflection away from Labour.
You have Corbyn who was close to several terrorist groups. He didn't hold a position that meant it was what he ahould be doing. Then you have Tony Bliar. He could have a thread to himself.
Ah so being alive at the time is a pre-requisite for knowing about the event? Must remind every historian going they're out of a job.
Nor are you...You clearly are not an historian
Nor are you...
Laughable.For the time period in discussion I do not have to be and urban myths need expelling.
As you know it wasn't illegal to be close to them.Ah so being alive at the time is a pre-requisite for knowing about the event? Must remind every historian going they're out of a job.
If he was close to terrorists report him to the police and let justice take its course. Wonder why nobody has done so when the evidence is so clear?
Laughable.
Yes it is. On the one hand you attempt to discredit somebody, then bait and switch. Stock Grendel technique in action, and guess it's worth a few minutes, so crack on!No it isn’t.
As you know it wasn't illegal to be close to them.
Nobody knows what went on.G thinks he actively supported the death of civilians. Think that's a criminal offence if proven?
G thinks he actively supported the death of civilians. Think that's a criminal offence if proven?
No it isn’t. His comments about Russia in the 80’s and Reagan are absurd.
Also no one can understand what it was like living in the era of the IRA unless you were there. To make some smug comparison to governments selling arms to bad people (oddly most people who want arms are bad people) with an individual toadying up to mass murderers of innocent people is sixth form debating level.
No it isn’t. He actively supported an organisation who killed British civilians. It’s not illegal to think Ian Huntley or Jimmy Saville were nice people.
That’s a more relevant comparison.
No it isn’t. He actively supported an organisation who killed British civilians. It’s not illegal to think Ian Huntley or Jimmy Saville were nice people.
That’s a more relevant comparison.
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