Grendel
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That reminds me. Is ken Livingstone back in Jeremy’s fold yet?
Also there are a lot of Nazi racist bigots out there. One that sticks out is in the White House (probably actually playing golf in Florida)
.......Paying little black kids less than minimum wage to go and wash his balls.
Look, you made a generalised point, others made it distinct... and then you complain about people not making it distinct.
The only person not doing so was you!
Yup, you're doing that!one of the main problems is people trying to use what other people have said for petty point scoring, this thread just typifies it.
I've answered it in overly wordy detail above.I'll ask a third time. Do you think he should go to prison?
I've answered it in overly wordy detail above.
MoronSnowflake.
Yes.Genuine question: Do you think its possible to laugh out loud at a joke that you actually find offensive?
Moron
Moron
I could make many tasteless jokes about what is more entertaining than the dog, but don't fancy a prosecution...This is more entertaining than the dog
To me the whole free speech/offensive speech debate isn't been played out on the comedy circuit but in the political arena.
And again I go to the petty point scoring thing. Many of those who bang the drum loudest for free speech only apply it to something they agree with but know upsets a lot of people.
They're the first ones crying when someone says something they don't like.
It has always been a difficult question though, and when it strays into incitement to violence territory the waters get muddied. Personally I consider myself to be an advocate of free speech but know there are times when that get's tested.
It's a difficult place to draw the line. For example where do you sit if someone is due to come to the country to do a speech about the benefits of an white supremacist ethno-state and the inferiority of other races. It isn't a direct incitement to violence but it could be interpreted in that way. If a member of the audience of that talk was then to commit crimes against minorities based on that people would be asking why we let the speaker in. the same of course goes for religious nut cases calling for a one religion state which could radicalise someone against apostates.I get what you're saying massively, but I think the reason for that is because minorities generally get more curve when it comes to saying things that might be deemed 'hate speech'. Therefore you get people kicking off because you can't make a joke without ending up in prison, but we regularly let in hate preachers (there was one last week who was even banned in Pakistan) to say whatever they want. It's double standards.
My motto to other people in life is generally do whatever you want, so long as you're not hurting other people. Incitement to violence is pretty much that, so I don't think it's alright to go round saying you want to kill someone if it actually has anything serious behind it. On the flip side, imprisoning someone for making their dog do a nazi salute, and banning those 'right-wing' reporters from entering the country last week (one of them was giving a speech), is in my opinion over the top massively.
No. That's me personally though. I could smile and then think it very wrong, but couldn't burst out laughing.Tangent alert !
Genuine question: Do you think its possible to laugh out loud at a joke that you actually find offensive?
It's a difficult place to draw the line. For example where do you sit if someone is due to come to the country to do a speech about the benefits of an white supremacist ethno-state and the inferiority of other races. It isn't a direct incitement to violence but it could be interpreted in that way. If a member of the audience of that talk was then to commit crimes against minorities based on that people would be asking why we let the speaker in. the same of course goes for religious nut cases calling for a one religion state which could radicalise someone against apostates.
Well it's OK, it's not on his channel anymore, so you have to watch somebody else'sI haven't watched it nor am I.
I'm not going to add to the number Count as it just doesn't attract my attention.
I think the problem lies with the platform he's used.
My question is would it pass regulated medium standards such as TV?
The problem we have now of course is that people don't actually need to come in to the country. People can freely access material published in America, where they don't have as stringent laws against hate speech, or Pakistan, where mental religious rhetoric is the norm, leading to easy radicalisation. I don't know what the answer is to be honest.100% agree.
I think generally though, the white supremacists do get stopped (the ones last week weren't actually), but many of the ones on the other side kind of get away with it. Whether that is because the authorities don't want to be seen as 'racist', I don't know.
Why's that then? Because you don't agree with Tommy Robinson's views and therefore brand him racist (diluting the word racist) and want to shut down his free speech?The minute he got Tommy Robinson involved in his defence he was sunk.
Why's that then? Because you don't agree with Tommy Robinson's views and therefore brand him racist (diluting the word racist) and want to shut down his free speech?
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Yes, would of done.Well if you accused of abandoning a child you wouldn’t choose the Mccanns as character witnesses would you?
Calling somebody with a different point of view to you a racist DOESNT dilute the word? Ok then!Really doesn't dilute the word racist.
Yes, would of done.
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I wonder when it will become a real word not just some made up thing to call people who disagree with a barbaric religion!Wonder when the word islamophobe will become diluted...
I wonder when it will become a real word not just some made up thing to call people who disagree with a barbaric religion!
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