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fatso

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Johnson for 5 years is the best thing for Labour, without the Scottish votes, it’s going to be tough to secure a majority in the next election but Johnson can be that catalyst as he will surely f**k it up, he won’t be able to help himself.
If Boris fucks up, he will be removed before the next election.
Realistically, labour are out of office for a minimum of 10 years, probably longer.
They have become the Bolton wanderers of the political world.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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Johnson for 5 years is the best thing for Labour, without the Scottish votes, it’s going to be tough to secure a majority in the next election but Johnson can be that catalyst as he will surely f**k it up, he won’t be able to help himself.

Brexit will be the biggest thing - if it's unsuccessful people will look to blame the Tories saying they made a poor job of it rather than it being flawed outright. With a potential Irish border and Scot independence argument (which Alexander will inevitably offend the Scots in at some point) added to the mix it could be a massive problem.

Speaking of such Alexander is arguably their greatest weapon - he inevitably lets people down and exploits people. The longer he stays in the job the more incapable he will show himself to be and even he will eventually run out of goodwill with the posh buffoon shtick.
 

Grendel

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Brexit will be the biggest thing - if it's unsuccessful people will look to blame the Tories saying they made a poor job of it rather than it being flawed outright. With a potential Irish border and Scot independence argument (which Alexander will inevitably offend the Scots in at some point) added to the mix it could be a massive problem.

Speaking of such Alexander is arguably their greatest weapon - he inevitably lets people down and exploits people. The longer he stays in the job the more incapable he will show himself to be and even he will eventually run out of goodwill with the posh buffoon shtick.

You really have no idea do you
 

SkyblueBazza

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It depends if they make those boundary changes Cameron wanted to make, which would make it harder for labour to win.

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Cameron nor any Minister doesn't decide on the boundaries. I think I am right in saying that parliament itself requests reviews, the government of the day at the last request for the 2018 changes pushed & got accepted to reduce the number of constituencies to 600.

They have some specific rules to satisfy in their reviews...none of which are designed to deliberately obstruct any political party.

The Commission is Chaired by the Speaker of HoC but is just a kind of final sign off before taking it back to the House. His Deputy Chair is always a High Court Judge...who I hope you'd agree is not to be swayed but anything other than the undeniable facts in all legal matters?

No doubt if a party believes recommended changes are positive for them they will try to push them through. I guess with 'social cleansing' or various other policies over decades it might be possible to engineer things somewhat...but I doubt it happens as there are far too many variables.

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Flying Fokker

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Keir Starmer....who seemed to go very quiet towards the end of the campaign.

Jess Phillips. A Midlander who is not afraid to speak.

Lisa Nandy...the not so obvious choice.
 

Grendel

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Well now it seems Emily Thornberry is taking legal action over Caroline Flint and her tweets which basically call her a condescending cow for sneering at Leave voters

Thornberry really is an absurd character - this I’m sure will forward the labour cause immensely
 

Flying Fokker

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As a member I'm going to leave myself open minded at the moment and try to allow the candidates a chance to prove themselves capable of leadership.

Phillips I'm not keen on due to her seemingly being more concerned with infighting than holding the government to account over the last few years and there is no point jumping from one divisive candidate to another.

I like Starmer and feel like he has the potential to come across as statesmanlike and competent opposite Johnson but will need to drop the remain position.

Long-Bailey I like but even as a leftist I think the party could to with a step or two back to the centre.

Nandy, not that far back to the centre.

Rayner I think could do a good job in Labour heartlands and if the stratefy is to win those back before moving forward would be a good choice but feel she'd get a roasting from the Tory press.

But as I said, all of that could change and I am trying to be open about the process.

On a side note I find the talk from the anti-Corbyn side of the party about people joining now so they can reject the direction of the party from the last few years leaves a bitter taste. These are the exact people the orchestrated the disenfranchisement of thousands of people in the 2016 leadership election anybody they thought may have supported Corbyn because of a multitude inane reasons. A friend of mine was refused a vote for voting green in 2010 for example. I'm very much not saying the same should be done to people expected to vote for centrist candidates but someone calling for this would likely be a divisive candidate which is not what we need.

Rayner and long bailey annoy me for different reasons. Rayner needs Gelding. She’d be ok if she could just take the nasty Labour snarl away...I saw her on the last debate and if she’d been just that little bit more compose (rather than sounding like she was bollocking her husband?) I would have agreed with her. She turned into Arthur Scargill.

Long Bailey is not mass appeal. Reminds me of a cartoon character. And not a pleasant one either.
 

Malaka

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I don't think Angela Rayner is thick. She is pretty feisty but a little too far to the left for my liking. Labour needs to go centre left to have any chance going forward. Corbyn was and the left was a major turn-off for a lot of the electorate IMO. I struggled to find anyone who liked him
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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You really have no idea do you

Are you telling me that Alexander doesn't let people down and those people don't have trust him?

Are you saying that the Irish border won't create issues?

Are you saying the SNP won't be pushing for indyref2 and that it's likely Alexander will at some point say something derogatory about the Scots, adding fuel to the fire?

If you're answering yes to any of these questions then you really ought to take a more historical evidence based approach to your thinking.

IF Brexit isn't a success you think the public that voted for it will just say "whoops, we got that wrong!". Of course not, they'll look to blame whoever put it through as doing it badly rather than admit the entire thing was flawed from the start and they made the wrong decision.

Of course IF it goes well then of course the Tories will continue to do well in future elections regardless of anything Alexander or anyone else does. Hence why I said it was the most important issue.
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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Well now it seems Emily Thornberry is taking legal action over Caroline Flint and her tweets which basically call her a condescending cow for sneering at Leave voters

Thornberry really is an absurd character - this I’m sure will forward the labour cause immensely
Horrible excuse for a human being,So far up her own arse it’s unbelievable.
If labour choose her you can guarantee it’ll be longer than ten years in opposition.
Lady Nugee would be better off in the backbenches with a sock in her gob!!
 

fatso

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Keir Starmer....who seemed to go very quiet towards the end of the campaign.

Jess Phillips. A Midlander who is not afraid to speak.

Lisa Nandy...the not so obvious choice.
I feel Jess Phillip's would be eaten alive by the tories. She's definitely not up to the task of leading an international political party.
Could you honestly imagine her being the voice of Great Britain on the world stage?
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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I feel Jess Phillip's would be eaten alive by the tories. She's definitely not up to the task of leading an international political party.
Could you honestly imagine her being the voice of Great Britain on the world stage?

Alexander isn't up to the task either but he's doing it.

Jess Phillips main aim wouldn't be to be the voice of Britain on the world stage, it would be to get Labour back to where it was against the Tories and she's feisty and witty enough to take on Alexander.

Plus she's perfect to get him to offend people - she's got a thick regional accent and a woman - he won't be able to help but say something derogatory about her based on these. Same as I'd expect he wouldn't be able to help himself being derogatory if they chose a BAME/homosexual candidate.
 

Grendel

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Most of these threads should be closed down

Politics in the 21st century is a business. Labour failed on so many levels - It was embarrassing

They have two choices

My choice for them is to exclude the members and appoint a parliament Labour Party separate to the members and appoint Yvette Cooper and when they can put him back in power Andy Burnham. I’m assuming David Milliband is not an option - if he is then they get him in and then get a policy change to not allow member votes

If they insist on the suicidal solution of allowing members to dictate Lisa Nandy is a hope. There is a lot of work to do with her but she seems to get the balance of bonkers socialism and a need to actually be attractive to people who actually pay tax and work

Frankly all the other discussions now are bollocks
 

stupot07

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I feel Jess Phillip's would be eaten alive by the tories. She's definitely not up to the task of leading an international political party.
Could you honestly imagine her being the voice of Great Britain on the world stage?
Why not? Because she hasn't been to Eton?

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Grendel

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Why not? Because she hasn't been to Eton?

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John McDonnell went to a £36,000 a year private school
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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You really have no idea do you

I know you don't care about the union but support for independence was already at 50% during the election and Johnson's election will send that higher. Polling from NI also shows that ramming through a crap Brexit will send support for reunification through the roof over there. When even the DUP are forced to admit that the deal is a pile of shit the feeling more broadly will be a disaster.

Will be interesting to see which lasts longer out of Tory governments or the union
 

Grendel

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I know you don't care about the union but support for independence was already at 50% during the election and Johnson's election will send that higher. Polling from NI also shows that ramming through a crap Brexit will send support for reunification through the roof over there. When even the DUP are forced to admit that the deal is a pile of shit the feeling more broadly will be a disaster.

Will be interesting to see which lasts longer out of Tory governments or the union

Again the union would have been down the plug hole under Corbyn you honestly have zero idea. I cannot believe the Scots would ever be dumb enough to ever vote to leave the UK - it would be a humiliating catastrophe that would end up with them crawling back

If Johnson was an opportunistic politician he’d want them gone wouldn’t he as it would solidify a Tory government for years and years to come?
 

Grendel

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What's that got to do with Jess Phillip's?

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It has to do with your strange obsession about people from Eton - McDonnell has been pulling strings and he is an epitome of wealth and luxury. Jess Phillips is a loose cannon and pretty dumb
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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Again the union would have been down the plug hole under Corbyn you honestly have zero idea. I cannot believe the Scots would ever be dumb enough to ever vote to leave the UK - it would be a humiliating catastrophe that would end up with them crawling back

If Johnson was an opportunistic politician he’d want them gone wouldn’t he as it would solidify a Tory government for years and years to come?

The union would have been strengthened by progressive government at Westminster and the possibility of cancelling Brexit. Scotland has returned more Tories than Labour MPs in the last 2 elections and kept Mrs May in office a few years ago. Brexit should show you that leaving a union being crap isn't enough of a deterrent against people voting for it. England going blue and Scotland going yellow, England going for Brexit and Scotland going 60% against it provide strong constitutional arguments in favour.

Though I don't see how even you can spin it on Northern Ireland. Johnson has properly thrown them under the bus and support for reunification will become tough to ignore
 

stupot07

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It has to do with your strange obsession about people from Eton - McDonnell has been pulling strings and he is an epitome of wealth and luxury. Jess Phillips is a loose cannon and pretty dumb
She isn't dumb.

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Grendel

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She isn't dumb.

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She has zero leadership ability and anyway is abhorrent to momentum who control labour
 

stupot07

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She has zero leadership ability and anyway is abhorrent to momentum who control labour
Zero leadership lol. Have you actually got anything positive to say about anyone?

Momentum need to be sidelined, the party needs a leader who will kick them to the kerb.

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Brighton Sky Blue

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Zero leadership lol. Have you actually got anything positive to say about anyone?

Momentum need to be sidelined, the party needs a leader who will kick them to the kerb.

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If the vote is put to the membership again there is little chance of that happening. Dare I say the PLP should at least be putting forward the final choices
 

Grendel

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Zero leadership lol. Have you actually got anything positive to say about anyone?

Momentum need to be sidelined, the party needs a leader who will kick them to the kerb.

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Ive already stated if labour want to be a credible force they need form a parliamentary party and ditch its membership
 

stupot07

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Wtf has going to Eton got to do with anything.
Sounds to me that you may have a chip on the old shoulder!
66% of Boris's cabinet went to private school (twice Mays), and only 6.5% of people go to private school. Hardly representative of the country we live in. Loads of etonites in leading political roles with a sense of entitlement.


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Grendel

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66% of Boris's cabinet went to private school (twice Mays), and only 6.5% of people go to private school. Loads of etonites in leading political roles with a sense of entitlement.


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So what? The public clearly believe that’s a better choice than a dumb twat who barely made 2 A levels?
 

Grendel

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You mean like Angela Rayner?

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Well many sneer that Brexit voters are less educated. I think Mr Johnson was more educated at 16 than Rayner is now. Does education matter or not?
 

stupot07

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Well many sneer that Brexit voters are less educated. I think Mr Johnson was more educated at 16 than Rayner is now. Does education matter or not?
It shouldn't matter what school you go to but unfortunately the way social mobility works it does.

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