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Is this right about the size of the platform? I have only been on a non match day service with 2 carriages, and where there seemed platform space for more carriages, but maybe more carriages are used on match days?
 
Is this right about the size of the platform? I have only been on a non match day service with 2 carriages, and where there seemed platform space for more carriages, but maybe more carriages are used on match days?
It was extended to cater for 4 carriages when they upgraded Bedworth and Somewhere in Nuneaton I believe
 
I thought the issue was the size of the platform not the carriage stock. If it is the platform, I always wondered why they couldn't put them on, fill 2, move the train forward, fill the bext 2 and so on. With only the doors opening in the ones on the platform. Alternatively at least run them 30 minutes not hourly.

We were looking at using them, but unless we leave early then the first one will be loads ahead of us as dad's slow. That goes at 17.50 which means hanging about till 18.50 for the next. If it was 17.20 and 18.20 even not so bad, but pretty much 2 hours after the game finishes is too long, especially when it gets colder. Really needs sorting.

The problem is you can’t run half hourly trains without changes to the track, I forget if it’s a bay platform or something else. The trains need to be able to pass or be passed or something.

The underground trains were denser so could carry more people per train i Think.
 
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I thought the issue was the size of the platform not the carriage stock. If it is the platform, I always wondered why they couldn't put them on, fill 2, move the train forward, fill the bext 2 and so on. With only the doors opening in the ones on the platform. Alternatively at least run them 30 minutes not hourly.

We were looking at using them, but unless we leave early then the first one will be loads ahead of us as dad's slow. That goes at 17.50 which means hanging about till 18.50 for the next. If it was 17.20 and 18.20 even not so bad, but pretty much 2 hours after the game finishes is too long, especially when it gets colder. Really needs sorting.
Platform length would be stupid. I regularly get the Manchester - Sheffield line that goes through hope valley, and there were stations on there with platforms too small and the announcer just told you only the front x carriages will be letting off.
 
What Claude said when I asked:


Your instinct is right that it’s an infrastructure problem, but the missing piece isn’t on the line — it’s at Coventry station.


The line itself isn’t the bottleneck. Coventry–Nuneaton is double track for its whole 10-mile length, with loops and two platforms at each intermediate station. It could physically absorb more trains tomorrow.


The blocker is terminating capacity at Coventry. Coventry sits on a two-track stretch of the West Coast Main Line carrying Avanti, London Northwestern and CrossCountry. A local train that arrives, sits, and reverses occupies a through platform for several minutes each time — and every one of those minutes is a path denied to a 125mph service behind it. The fix has always been a new bay platform (a dead-end stub set back from the main line so the Nuneaton service can wait without disrupting Euston–Birmingham traffic). That’s been the designated enabler for 2tph since 2011.


It keeps getting descoped on cost. NUCKLE Phase 1 was split into two packages: Package 1 delivered Coventry Arena and Bermuda Park stations; Package 2 — the second train per hour, the bay platform, and the signalling and track work — was deferred. Only one tender came in for the signalling, at three times the expected cost. It was hit again around 2020 by a “significant increase” in costs, prompting Network Rail to look for a cheaper approach. It’s now bundled into the Midlands Rail Hub / Coventry–Leicester–Nottingham scheme, with the bay platform still listed as the thing that unlocks half-hourly, and construction running 2025–2033.


Your passing-place hunch does apply — just at the other end of the route. The train is now a through Nuneaton–Coventry–Leamington service, and the Coventry–Leamington section is single track (Kenilworth has one platform). Single track supports one train per hour each way; doubling the Nuneaton leg means either a dynamic loop down there or splitting the through service — which puts you straight back into needing somewhere at Coventry to turn trains round.


The foundational point worth taking away: railway capacity is almost never limited by plain track. It’s limited by junctions, terminating platforms, and heterogeneity — mixing a 2-car stopper with 125mph expresses on the same pair of rails burns far more capacity than either alone, because the fast train needs a growing gap ahead of the slow one.


Where I might be wrong: I couldn’t confirm whether any cheaper alternative to the bay platform has been approved since 2025, or whether the Coventry station masterplan quietly delivered part of it. It’s also possible timetabling constraints at the Nuneaton end (freight to the Murco oil terminal, and the flat conflict with the Trent Valley lines) are a bigger factor than the public documents suggest — those tend to get buried because “we need a platform” is an easier story to sell than “the pathing doesn’t work.”

 
And on number of carriages:


Different constraint, and it’s mostly about the trains rather than the track.


There are no spare diesel units. The line isn’t electrified — the plan to wire it under Electric Spine was scrapped along with the other cancelled electrification projects — so it can only be worked by diesel stock, currently Class 196s and 172s. Britain stopped building diesel passenger trains years ago and the national fleet is fixed. Every extra vehicle here is a vehicle taken off Birmingham–Shrewsbury or similar. This isn’t new: the second train per hour was originally deferred partly because of a national shortage of diesel rolling stock, and the operator said publicly at the time that it simply couldn’t obtain more diesel units.


Platform length caps it anyway. Bedworth’s platforms were extended under NUCKLE, and lengthening at Coventry to take six-car trains was pushed into the deferred second package — the same package that never got built. Coventry Arena and Bermuda Park were built cheaply and short. You can work around this with selective door operation (lock the doors on cars sitting off the platform), but it adds dwell time and fitment cost, and it doesn’t help if the reason people can’t board is that the whole train is rammed.


The economics are brutal for peaky demand. Rolling stock is leased per vehicle per day, plus fuel, maintenance and depot space. Arena crowds are a few hours a week. The station opened with a rule closing it for an hour either side of matches and concerts, precisely because there wasn’t enough stock — and six-car trains could have been chartered, but the fares wouldn’t have covered the charter cost. Nobody holds vehicles idle for six days to cover Saturday afternoon.


And it wouldn’t fix your actual problem. Capacity and frequency are different goods. A longer train reduces crowding; only more trains reduce the wait. With a 60-minute headway, average wait is 30 minutes and a missed connection at Nuneaton costs you an hour. Doubling carriages changes none of that. That’s why transport planners treat frequency as the thing that generates ridership — the “turn-up-and-go” threshold is roughly 4tph, where people stop consulting the timetable at all. Bedworth’s ridership is suppressed by the hourly service, and low ridership then undermines the business case for fixing it. Classic circularity.


Where I might be wrong: I’m confident about the fleet and platform constraints, less so about current headroom — WMT’s diesel allocation may have loosened since the 196s bedded in, and a 2-to-4-car strengthening on some workings could well be feasible now without any civils work. I also haven’t verified the exact platform lengths at the two 2016 stations, so I may be overstating how hard the constraint is there.

 
Altering the timetable on a Saturday would help with a game over by 5, then 20past the hour instead of 50 past would help many.

Also forgetting the extended legs to Kenilworth and Leamington. Everyone off at Cov and change then it could be back and forth between Arena more often.
 
I caught the train back to Coventry station last season & the train to Nuneaton still hadn't got to the Arena station by 17:20. The queue to Nuneaton was a fraction of the size of the queue to Coventry but if the train is that late I would miss my train home

Yeah you can't rely on the trains being on time, it's a bit of a shit show.
 
The Newcastle metro has some old stock that they're in the process of renewing, don't kno if their viable or not but until they are the place is destined to go nowhere,the complex I mean.
Maybe Ashley could arrange it as a thank you
to the council for all their help?
 
There is a bus to the ground outside Sainsbury's.. between Sainsbury's and flying standard, 20/25 mins
But make sure you get the one that goes as far as the arena, some of them only go as far as the first stop past Blue Ribbon roundabout then turn around, mind you its only a 15min walk to the shopping park from there.
 
But make sure you get the one that goes as far as the arena, some of them only go as far as the first stop past Blue Ribbon roundabout then turn around, mind you its only a 15min walk to the shopping park from there.
Thats actually ideal, few pubs on route. Ive never even considered the bus.
 
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There is a new rail service I could use from Stirling to Nuneaton but I won't use it as I cannot guarantee that I can back to Nuneaton by 17:34 to catch the return train 🤔🤬
Stirling as in Scotland?! Impressive
 
Stirling as in Scotland?! Impressive
There are about 10-15 STHs living in Scotland mainly in the central belt, I was a member of SBA Scotland the season before last & I thought they would have looked into sharing driving or hiring a minibus but none of them were interested & all make their own ways down.
 
Should have made it number 38, paid 6 million for it, called it Bus Hamer, and then realised it was much wider than expected after collecting it.
 

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