'Neurodiversity' (2 Viewers)

[Mcbean]

Yeah, but I can't even do simple tasks sometimes. My missus has shown me about 20-30 times how to put the dogs' harnesses on and then how to attach their harnesses in their car.

I lose her within about 12 seconds of the conversation. If it's insert tab A into tab B and then loop tab B around tab C, I am still stuck on insert A into B. Once I feel a little unsure on something, I get stuck at that point and can't think of anything else past that point.

I lost a job at Sainsbury's, because they said to unstack a shelf and clean the shelf and stack the tins from the shelf back up again and I just was simply unable to do it. Every time I tried there were either too many rows, or not enough rows, or I hadn't stacked them deep enough, so I was always left with loads of tins at the end.

At that point you get called stupid by your supervisor. I never, ever had a well paid job and was considered not clever enough for uni.

So when you hear stuff like that and then you know struggled at school too and couldn't even read a book, you do indeed believe yourself to be dumb.

If I can control things myself, I am fine. Over my life, I formed my own football team and my own youth theatre group and my own band and my own little film company and theatre company and when it was me, just me in control, I was absolutely fine.

I now have my own radio show. When they dictate to me and I have to adhere to the rules and do things a certain way, i.e. their way, I really struggle.

When I am left to my own devices I am fine.

Wish I knew way back when what I know now, but there just wasn't the pathway to diagnosis around back then.

Glad so many people can get help these days.

Luckily you have CCFC for order

 

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[Otis]

Luckily you have CCFC for order

Coventry City are a bit like my brain...

All over the place.

 

[duffer]

Yeah, but I can't even do simple tasks sometimes. My missus has shown me about 20-30 times how to put the dogs' harnesses on and then how to attach their harnesses in their car.

I lose her within about 12 seconds of the conversation. If it's insert tab A into tab B and then loop tab B around tab C, I am still stuck on insert A into B. Once I feel a little unsure on something, I get stuck at that point and can't think of anything else past that point.

I lost a job at Sainsbury's, because they said to unstack a shelf and clean the shelf and stack the tins from the shelf back up again and I just was simply unable to do it. Every time I tried there were either too many rows, or not enough rows, or I hadn't stacked them deep enough, so I was always left with loads of tins at the end.

At that point you get called stupid by your supervisor. I never, ever had a well paid job and was considered not clever enough for uni.

So when you hear stuff like that and then you know struggled at school too and couldn't even read a book, you do indeed believe yourself to be dumb.

If I can control things myself, I am fine. Over my life, I formed my own football team and my own youth theatre group and my own band and my own little film company and theatre company and when it was me, just me in control, I was absolutely fine.

I now have my own radio show. When they dictate to me and I have to adhere to the rules and do things a certain way, i.e. their way, I really struggle.

When I am left to my own devices I am fine.

Wish I knew way back when what I know now, but there just wasn't the pathway to diagnosis around back then.

Glad so many people can get help these days.

Probably the most elegant explanation of neuro diversity that I've ever read.

One thing is absolutely obvious mate, you're not stupid.

This "life" thing, it's a team sport. None of us can make it on our own, and we've all got different skills. Not better, not worse, just different. That's how teams work.

My skill is writing bollocks and irritating people. It's a bit of an oversubscribed niche hereabouts, but I feel it still has value.

 

[Otis]

Probably the most elegant explanation of neuro diversity that I've ever read.

One thing is absolutely obvious mate, you're not stupid.

This "life" thing, it's a team sport. None of us can make it on our own, and we've all got different skills. Not better, not worse, just different. That's how teams work.

My skill is writing bollocks and irritating people. It's a bit of an oversubscribed niche hereabouts, but I feel it still has value.

Yeah, to be honest, I haven't believed I am thick, just been led to understand and been conditioned to feel that.

Just never seen myself as being intelligent

 

[rob9872]

If I can control things myself, I am fine. Over my life, I formed my own football team and my own youth theatre group and my own band and my own little film company and theatre company and when it was me, just me in control, I was absolutely fine.

 

[rob9872]

Probably the most elegant explanation of neuro diversity that I've ever read.

One thing is absolutely obvious mate, you're not stupid.

This "life" thing, it's a team sport. None of us can make it on our own, and we've all got different skills. Not better, not worse, just different. That's how teams work.

My skill is writing bollocks and irritating people. It's a bit of an oversubscribed niche hereabouts, but I feel it still has value.

I genuinely believe that being 'thick' is underrated. It must be amazing living life with simple expectations, in blissful ignorance to what's going on around you and having no worldly distractions. A bit of a selfish view perhaps, but I reckon they'd be super happy almost all of the time.

 

[Captain Dart]

Is that a daily allowance of breasts?

 

[Otis]

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Yes.

I am just slightly taller than that little fella though.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I’m no expert but it’s clear that everyone's somewhere on the spectrum…as has been demonstrated by this thread ! I guess incidents, lifestyle choices and life in general can also trigger a worsening of certain conditions or issues at various points

Most genuine people suffering from adhd, ocd, anxiety etc just want understanding and support. Like many have said, if you know if you have a condition you can tailor your life accordingly. A lot of these conditions will get better or worse at various times throughout life so will need to be managed

Unfortunately we have turned into a society that just gives people stuff for problems (cash, exemptions, labels, medication etc). This is what the ‘grifters’ want and I’d argue possibly the worst thing you can give many of the younger generation* when they just need that support, understanding and to know that a lot of these issues for a large majority of people are normal and should be no barrier to living a normal, productive, happy life


*obviously there’s extreme cases where people need medication, active professional support etc throughout their life

 

[Otis]

Hopefully we can all judge people a little less too. There can indeed be a reason for actions, that although makes no sense to us, is central to that person's thinking.

I just picked up on the fans leaving games early question. Was thinking about that this morning. It's bandied about for years on here and some have said you are not a real supporter if you leave a game early. Especially if it's a draw and we are pushing for an equaliser etc

I never used to leave early and when I didn't, I wondered why people did that too, but then when I suddenly developed this compulsion to leave early myself, I got it. I could understand better. Can't remember when it started, but it was at the new stadium .

For some, I guess the problem can be the anxiety it can bring when you're in a huge throng of people, squashed like sardines and all trying to get out the ground at the same time . Crowds can be scary. For some, they may just have other places to be. For some they just have this overwhelming compulsion to leave, as irrational as that may seem.

We all have stuff. My missus, weirdly, has a, problem with escalators. But only going up an escalator. Not down. She can go down an escalator without problem, which I do find odd. If I had any fear, it would be of tumbling down an escalator, not falling up one. But just shows how different we all are and the phobias we have etc.

I have a problem with lifts, but that's just because they are enclosed spaces with no windows.

I just think we are all different and can all show what would be deemed as irrational traits at times.

 

[Grendel]

It’s clear labels are thrown around to create associative conditions to normal behaviours.

There is a general lack of understanding what conditions like OCD really mean

 

[nicksar]

I wrote a fairly long post on this thread the other night and decided to delete it (too much personal information).
Anyway i will write a little bit about one of my Sons who is now in his mid 40's.
As a toddler he clearly had some development issues which were brought to our attention initially by the "health visitor", what followed was a long and arduous journey of consultations and assessments...he started "school" in a special unit at age 3 to help give him a head start prior to going into mainstream infant school,we did our own research and felt he was Autistic but could never get a diagnosis by any health professionals in Coventry.
Eventually we managed to get him assessed by a professor at Nottingham university (Elizabeth Newsome) who was recognised as an expert in Autism spectrum disorder... first day we met her she told us "Coventry is an Autism free zone" because a diagnosis means the education authority will have to provide the correct educational needs and Coventry (along with other Cities would not do that at that point in time).
He is severely Autistic and by his teens also started to develop "schizo affective" disorder which is very common in youngsters at the high end of the Autism spectrum....safe to say it broke my heart when at age 15 he had to go in to an adolescent psychiatric unit....it also led to the eventual break up of my first marriage.
He lives in small unit of two with another man with very similar problems and receives amazing care and support,I see him every week without fail and I'm eternally grateful that we live in a society that provides for people such as my Son .
For what it's worth in his own way he's very happy.
Thanks for reading .

 

[Otis]

I wrote a fairly long post on this thread the other night and decided to delete it (too much personal information).
Anyway i will write a little bit about one of my Sons who is now in his mid 40's.
As a toddler he clearly had some development issues which were brought to our attention initially by the "health visitor", what followed was a long and arduous journey of consultations and assessments...he started "school" in a special unit at age 3 to help give him a head start prior to going into mainstream infant school,we did our own research and felt he was Autistic but could never get a diagnosis by any health professionals in Coventry.
Eventually we managed to get him assessed by a professor at Nottingham university (Elizabeth Newsome) who was recognised as an expert in Autism spectrum disorder... first day we met her she told us "Coventry is an Autism free zone" because a diagnosis means the education authority will have to provide the correct educational needs and Coventry (along with other Cities would not do that at that point in time).
He is severely Autistic and by his teens also started to develop "schizo affective" disorder which is very common in youngsters at the high end of the Autism spectrum....safe to say it broke my heart when at age 15 he had to go in to an adolescent phyciatric unit....it also led to the eventual break up of my first marriage.
He lives in small unit of two with another man with very similar problems and receives amazing care and support,I see him every week without fail and I'm eternally grateful that we live in a society that provides for people such as my Son .
For what it's worth in his own way he's very happy.
Thanks for reading .

Thanks for sharing, Nick. Much appreciated.

 

[Mcbean]

I wrote a fairly long post on this thread the other night and decided to delete it (too much personal information).
Anyway i will write a little bit about one of my Sons who is now in his mid 40's.
As a toddler he clearly had some development issues which were brought to our attention initially by the "health visitor", what followed was a long and arduous journey of consultations and assessments...he started "school" in a special unit at age 3 to help give him a head start prior to going into mainstream infant school,we did our own research and felt he was Autistic but could never get a diagnosis by any health professionals in Coventry.
Eventually we managed to get him assessed by a professor at Nottingham university (Elizabeth Newsome) who was recognised as an expert in Autism spectrum disorder... first day we met her she told us "Coventry is an Autism free zone" because a diagnosis means the education authority will have to provide the correct educational needs and Coventry (along with other Cities would not do that at that point in time).
He is severely Autistic and by his teens also started to develop "schizo affective" disorder which is very common in youngsters at the high end of the Autism spectrum....safe to say it broke my heart when at age 15 he had to go in to an adolescent psychiatric unit....it also led to the eventual break up of my first marriage.
He lives in small unit of two with another man with very similar problems and receives amazing care and support,I see him every week without fail and I'm eternally grateful that we live in a society that provides for people such as my Son .
For what it's worth in his own way he's very happy.
Thanks for reading .

Well done you didn’t give up and he’s in a better place for it

 

[nicksar]

Well done you didn’t give up and he’s in a better place for it

Thank you,he is funded 50% by the NHS continuing healthcare and 50% by Coventry social services.
His annual care review has recently been completed and the NHS are happy to fund him for another year,I find the NHS staff great to deal with,still waiting to hear from Coventry social services re this year's funding,I know there is a crisis nationally as authorities are being asked by the government to reduce costs.
Fingers crossed it will be approved.

 

[Otis]

Thank you,he is funded 50% by the NHS continuing healthcare and 50% by Coventry social services.
His annual care review has recently been completed and the NHS are happy to fund him for another year,I find the NHS staff great to deal with,still waiting to hear from Coventry social services re this year's funding,I know there is a crisis nationally as authorities are being asked by the government to reduce costs.
Fingers crossed it will be approved.

Ditto that

Hope it does indeed and so glad you have been getting the help needed.

 

[Grendel]

I wrote a fairly long post on this thread the other night and decided to delete it (too much personal information).
Anyway i will write a little bit about one of my Sons who is now in his mid 40's.
As a toddler he clearly had some development issues which were brought to our attention initially by the "health visitor", what followed was a long and arduous journey of consultations and assessments...he started "school" in a special unit at age 3 to help give him a head start prior to going into mainstream infant school,we did our own research and felt he was Autistic but could never get a diagnosis by any health professionals in Coventry.
Eventually we managed to get him assessed by a professor at Nottingham university (Elizabeth Newsome) who was recognised as an expert in Autism spectrum disorder... first day we met her she told us "Coventry is an Autism free zone" because a diagnosis means the education authority will have to provide the correct educational needs and Coventry (along with other Cities would not do that at that point in time).
He is severely Autistic and by his teens also started to develop "schizo affective" disorder which is very common in youngsters at the high end of the Autism spectrum....safe to say it broke my heart when at age 15 he had to go in to an adolescent psychiatric unit....it also led to the eventual break up of my first marriage.
He lives in small unit of two with another man with very similar problems and receives amazing care and support,I see him every week without fail and I'm eternally grateful that we live in a society that provides for people such as my Son .
For what it's worth in his own way he's very happy.
Thanks for reading .

Thanks for sharing.

It’s stories like yours that irk me when people seem obsessed with labelling themselves with a “condition” when in reality they have nothing wrong with them.

 

[Grendel]

I was advised by a health professional I should be tested for adult ADHD - I don’t see any purpose in achieving a label that’s just that. I asked what do I get?? A hat - a T a shirt? I fit the symptoms but I’m sure so do a lot of people.

 

[Sick Boy]

Thanks for sharing.

It’s stories like yours that irk me when people seem obsessed with labelling themselves with a “condition” when in reality they have nothing wrong with them.

I think for some it can help provide some answers why they stuggle/think in a certain way. If it helps them, I don't see the issue.

 

[SBAndy]

I was advised by a health professional I should be tested for adult ADHD - I don’t see any purpose in achieving a label that’s just that. I asked what do I get?? A hat - a T a shirt? I fit the symptoms but I’m sure so do a lot of people.

If you got a hat or a t shirt would you have had the test?

 

[Grendel]

If you got a hat or a t shirt would you have had the test?

No. I would if I was offered some free alcohol

 

[nicksar]

I think for some it can help provide some answers why they stuggle/think in a certain way. If it helps them, I don't see the issue.

Actually my eldest Daughter who lives in Sydney and is very bright (went to the same Uni as you) as recently been assessed and has ADHD, she has a very successful career in PR and SEO and tells me that the diagnosis helps her understand why she feels and acts in certain ways in some situations, she has some meds that she takes on an as needed basis.
She's convinced I have ADHD but I'm similar to @Grendel tbh and at nearly age 72 i don't feel the need to be assessed.

 

[Otis]

I think for some it can help provide some answers why they stuggle/think in a certain way. If it helps them, I don't see the issue.

Not been officially tested, like I said, but my missus telling me that I am clearly autistic, has helped me immensely.

Instead of my questioning my intelligence, my missus has just helped me to understand that my brain is wired differently, that's all.

My missus is an accountant, but on mental maths, I completely outscore her. On simple manual tasks, I am useless and all over the place.

Definitely helped, even though my missus is clearly not a health professional. She's just recognised it through the experience of friends and family.

 

[nicksar]

Not been officially tested, like I said, but my missus telling me that I am clearly autistic, has helped me immensely.

Instead of my questioning my intelligence, my missus has just helped me to understand that my brain is wired differently, that's all.

My missus is an accountant, but on mental maths, I completely outscore her. On simple manual tasks, I am useless and all over the place.

Definitely helped, even though my missus is clearly not a health professional. She's just recognised it through the experience of friends and family.

Autism has a huge spectrum Otis, from very mild to very severe like my Son .
I have a lot of knowledge re Autism as you could expect.

 

[Otis]

Autism has a huge spectrum Otis, from very mild to very severe like my Son .
I have a lot of knowledge re Autism as you could expect.

Indeed.

 

[Grendel]

I think for some it can help provide some answers why they stuggle/think in a certain way. If it helps them, I don't see the issue.

My issue is the lack of understanding of conditions which is similar to people saying "I have the flu" - when they have a cold

OCD is not just compulsions but the obsession that drives the complusions

I know someone whose daughter in her mid teens at a point in time would not leave a certain room in their house unless it was specific times of the day. Then they would have to take a specific amount of steps when leaving the room - no more and no less. Food had to be bought into the room. Soiling was common if the time did not prevail the need to go.

Thats the compulsion. People negate the what the obsession means. In this case the obsession was revealed that voices in her head were saying to her if she did not follow this her mother would die of cancer and with great pain.

The common obsessions that trigger the compulsions are phobias and especially emetophobia and mysophobia which often go hand in hand. So the compulsions are only eating with one hand, scrubbing with bleach, controlling all the cleaning in the house, not going to public spaces etc.

OCD is not stacking books in order.

Interestingly the second example I supplied here was suggested for NHS CBT. The peer group of parents laughed and said that would take years. She was referred in a week, One person in particular rather than be sympathetic was outraged as she said her daughter was depressed and was "in bed a lot" - when she wasn't she seemed to have a rather active social life. She was on meds though "so must ne really ill" - The OCD parents were questioned as to if they were claiming PIP - something they had not heard of or gave a fuck about. Oddly depressed child on meds who partied every weekend was very interested in PIP and had been trying to claim.

I know people say that sometimes they check every door in the house is locked so have OCD. They might if they have an obsession trigger - the one I am aware of is that the person would believe unless they checked 10 times they would be kidnapped and then sold into a sex slave ring

I remain in the majority of cases very cyncial.

 

[Otis]

My issue is the lack of understanding of conditions which is similar to people saying "I have the flu" - when they have a cold

OCD is not just compulsions but the obsession that drives the complusions

I know someone whose daughter in her mid teens at a point in time would not leave a certain room in their house unless it was specific times of the day. Then they would have to take a specific amount of steps when leaving the room - no more and no less. Food had to be bought into the room. Soiling was common if the time did not prevail the need to go.

Thats the compulsion. People negate the what the obsession means. In this case the obsession was revealed that voices in her head were saying to her if she did not follow this her mother would die of cancer and with great pain.

The common obsessions that trigger the compulsions are phobias and especially emetophobia and mysophobia which often go hand in hand. So the compulsions are only eating with one hand, scrubbing with bleach, controlling all the cleaning in the house, not going to public spaces etc.

OCD is not stacking books in order.

Interestingly the second example I supplied here was suggested for NHS CBT. The peer group of parents laughed and said that would take years. She was referred in a week, One person in particular rather than be sympathetic was outraged as she said her daughter was depressed and was "in bed a lot" - when she wasn't she seemed to have a rather active social life. She was on meds though "so must ne really ill" - The OCD parents were questioned as to if they were claiming PIP - something they had not heard of or gave a fuck about. Oddly depressed child on meds who partied every weekend was very interested in PIP and had been trying to claim.

I know people say that sometimes they check every door in the house is locked so have OCD. They might if they have an obsession trigger - the one I am aware of is that the person would believe unless they checked 10 times they would be kidnapped and then sold into a sex slave ring

I remain in the majority of cases very cyncial.

Well, yeah, but as Nicksar has said, there is a whole spectrum and different levels.

I went out with a girl who had OCD for three years, so do know quite a bit about it all.

 

[Ccfcisparks]

Well, yeah, but as Nicksar has said, there is a whole spectrum and different levels.

I went out with a girl who had OCD for three years, so do know quite a bit about it all.

Exactly. Its a spectrum and is why its so hard to say someone either "has it" or doesn't

 

[nicksar]

This is a worthwhile watch, it's exactly how my Son reacted to social situations as a young boy... These days when he is out of the home he has two support workers with him at all times.
He's not a danger to others but is to himself.

 

[Otis]

Exactly. Its a spectrum and is why its so hard to say someone either "has it" or doesn't

Yeah. True.

 

[Grendel]

Yeah. True.

As I say it’s the difference between influenza and a cold

 

[Grendel]

The other thing of course that has contributed to this issue amongst younger people was the selfish stupid decision made in Covid to isolate people. Never again must lockdowns happen

 

[Captain Dart]

The other thing of course that has contributed to this issue amongst younger people was the selfish stupid decision made in Covid to isolate people. Never again must lockdowns happen

Never again must loved ones in hospitals and homes be denied visits from relatives and friends, that was disgusting, unnecessary and in many cases I suspect hastened their end.

 

[ProfessorbyGrace]

I think we've all got a touch of something, to be honest, i know I probably have. In infants school (so 73/74 yime) I remember this kid who was a right fucking nightmare. Unruly, misbehaved, borderline violent to teachers. At the time we all thought of him as The Psycho, but nowadays he would get help and with a bit more understanding be just another one of our classmates. Hope he was OK.

As someone who has a diagnosis of both ADHD and ASD, and who has worked with Autistic adults with complex needs, please be assured that everyone doesn’t ’have a touch of it’, to paraphrase you.

There are a lot of people out there attempting to jump on the bandwagon, to justify their behaviour, or even to demand privileges or concessions they feel entitled to, but it’s pretty much a case of - if you’re neurodiverse, you’re neurodiverse. There’s no grey area, and you can’t have it ‘a bit’, so to speak.

Class over, carry on, normies.

 

[Otis]

As I say it’s the difference between influenza and a cold

Well..hmm..

There are just so many degrees on the spectrum.

Obviously someone can be autistic without knowing to what exact degree on that spectrum. Not that, that matters half the time

I can't remember if the girl I dated was diagnosed. I think she was, but I am not 100% certain.

Her OCD tore her apart..