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Moving Forward - New Stadium Questions (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Jul 27, 2020
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #106
tisza said:
Since the Council’s decision to sell the Ricoh to Wasps at what we believe to be a gross and unlawful undervalue, we have been determined either to overturn that decision by legal challenge (this is the only way back to the Ricoh on any sort of sustainable basis) .
Probably a long shot but how about asking them how they see this as being a route back to the Ricoh when there is seemingly zero relationship with CCC
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I'm not sure that a route back to the Ricoh is the aim.
 
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Mcbean

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #107
What will be the car parking capacity at the stadium
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #108
fernandopartridge said:
I'm not sure that a route back to the Ricoh is the aim.
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Agreed, or at least I hope it isn’t.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #109
Otis said:
Just had a look. It looks okay. Nowt special. It looks very generic. We aren't going to get much for the money though are we.

We have to accept that if we are doing it on the cheap.
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This cost £27m


 
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Danceswithhorses

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #110
Liquid Gold said:
This cost £27m

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Out of interest...how long ago ?

EDIT......Just checked wiki....July 2005
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #111
Danceswithhorses said:
How long ago ?
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15 years. That doesn't;t necessarily mean a newer one would be more expensive though. With advancement in technologies (modular build) it could mean the same thing is significantly cheaper.

A lot of stadiums cost a lot of money when purchasing land, it's where we started to unravel first time around, so when you look at Brentford's new ground costing £71m you forget they paid an unspecified figure to buy land in London. If we have the landowner on side already costs could come right down.
 
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kg82

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #112
pastythegreat said:
Bristol Rovers did?!?!

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk
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The one they’re in now? That was already there.
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #113
fernandopartridge said:
I'm not sure that a route back to the Ricoh is the aim.
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Possibly. But the statement gives an either / or scenario. New stadium self-explanatory but a Ricoh return option isn't.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #114
tisza said:
Possibly. But the statement gives an either / or scenario. New stadium self-explanatory but a Ricoh return option isn't.
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Isn't that just something NW made up?
 
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tisza

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #115
shmmeee said:
Isn't that just something NW made up?
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Really? I should work for local media - believe anything
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #116
tisza said:
Really? I should work for local media - believe anything
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That or NW should work for Sisu
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #117
Liquid Gold said:
This cost £27m

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That is much nicer than the Rotherham one in my opinion.

 
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torchomatic

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #118
Liquid Gold said:
I'd like to see regular updates on the progress. Possibly once a month, any new updates and progress on previous updates.
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A dedicated website, twitter account too. All this is important stuff and a way of keeping in touch with fans.
 
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RegTheDonk

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #119
Potentially, 5 years is a long time outside Cov until the stadium is built and if the team struggles, less and less will travel to Birmingham. Will SISU waive any management fees or costs that may hamper money spent on players?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #120
Don’t know if this is outside the scope but:

Will the club still be run “sustainably” over the five years were in Brum or are the owners going to subsidise us to enable us to stay in the Championship until then?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #121
shmmeee said:
That or NW should work for Sisu
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I did wonder if it could be my job application!

(I did add that the Ricoh was no longer an option and they were moving on, within that btw )
 

tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #122
RegTheDonk said:
Potentially, 5 years is a long time outside Cov until the stadium is built and if the team struggles, less and less will travel to Birmingham. Will SISU waive any management fees or costs that may hamper money spent on players?
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That's a real worry when the 2.5m League 1 salary cap kicks in.
Becomes a very attractive way of limiting costs whilst "building" a stadium.
 

Somerset Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #123
Legia Sky Blue said:
Haven't the women's team aligned themselves with Coventry United, and isn't Grendel's pal - Kalns, one of their main protagonists? Can't see any link up if that is the case.
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I was just asking the question as a lot of top clubs are starting to invest more in the women's game and it would show our club to be forward thinking.
Didn't realise they had the links you mentioned.
 
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martincov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #124
Has anyone seen espanyol stadium? 40,500 capacity but average 20,000 ish. 4 sided basically. So could be scaled to suit our needs. I think it looks good and is not so generic. Start small 18 -20k but think bigger say 30 -35k. doable over time. Colours look ok too. It looks like solar panels on 2 of the rooves but this is England so we would need all 4 with said panels. Sorry i cant post a pic, cant find one with the right . ???? whatever. Have a look. With the girder construction built high enough top tiers could be added with ease.
 
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martincov

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #125
Swansea looks good but its another RICOH we need to move away from that. Clean break and all that.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #126
martincov said:
Swansea looks good but its another RICOH we need to move away from that. Clean break and all that.
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How do you mean another Ricoh? Cos it’s a bowl?

Just me and @Otis who don’t like the 1970s Subbuteo ground look it seems.
 
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rhino1002

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #127
We could share it with a rugby union club like Swansea do lol
 
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martincov

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #128
Not the best view!
 

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Mcbean

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #129
Brasil style
 
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martincov

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #130
shmmeee said:
How do you mean another Ricoh? Cos it’s a bowl?

Just me and @Otis who don’t like the 1970s Subbuteo ground look it seems.
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Yes a bowl. We cant have Highfield road back its gone. 4 basic sides with added stuff. Anyway i like the look of it and a scaled version is achievable. Only my opinion.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #131
martincov said:
Yes a bowl. We cant have Highfield road back its gone. 4 basic sides with added stuff. Anyway i like the look of it and a scaled version is achievable. Only my opinion.
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Yeah I get that. I’ve accepted that my dislike of separate stands makes me a football fan weirdo. It’s fine. I’ll hang with Otis.
 
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rhino1002

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #132
shmmeee said:
Yeah I get that. I’ve accepted that my dislike of separate stands makes me a football fan weirdo. It’s fine. I’ll hang with Otis.
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It would entirely feasible to build a four stand ground and it would therefore be possible to do this over a period of time using temporary stand and seating
Corners can be filled in at the end
Doing it this way would mean earlier start and use date (subject to planning and other permissions)
Some have suggested building one stand to start with with the other three sides temporary stands or blanked off
This is certainly a possibility
 
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martincov

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #133
shmmeee said:
Yeah I get that. I’ve accepted that my dislike of separate stands makes me a football fan weirdo. It’s fine. I’ll hang with Otis.
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Google it have have a look at more pics. We are going to have to start lower than expectations and build to a higher level. That is where future design with in built capability comes in. We may or may not get a stadium a UoW, who knows? Did Milton Keynes not add tiers at a later date or did they just not complete? Stadium design and construction has moved on and is very different to when al la ricoh was al la mode.
 
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CovInEssex

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #134
Went past Brentford's (new and current) stadiums the other day, what an improvement that is. Definitely a club on the up, and the new one looks very sharp and smart indeed.

They've coloured the seats mainly red but with splashes of random colours here and there, so on TV the ground still looks full. Always hated the brightly coloured seats of the ricoh, you can see every single empty seat so clearly.
 
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Calista

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #135
While I applaud and appreciate what the OP has been doing recently, I don’t know how he can claim that “everyone believes that a new stadium should be the priority now”.

I’m afraid I can’t “prioritise” something that, with the new roads and infrastructure required, is at least 5 years away IMO. That length of time in Birmingham could kill us. I can’t “prioritise” the club investing a ton of funny money in building a second (and likely inferior) stadium in a city that already has one. Should we even “prioritise” ground ownership to that extent, when by far the most important revenue stream for successful football clubs (Premier League & Championship) is broadcasting rights?

Fair play to the fine questions which have been put forward here, they all make sense so go ahead and ask them. But good luck to those who want monthly progress reports from the owners! This seems at best a long term vision of a so-so football stadium way out of town, and at worst a smoke screen for another agenda.

I don’t have an easy solution to our predicament, so I think I’ll just try and stick with the football, which after everything that has happened is now more of a hobby than a passion.

btw I don’t mean to disparage anyone who is looking forward to this, and if one day it turns out to be a great success I’ll be delighted.
 
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Otis

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #136
CovInEssex said:
Went past Brentford's (new and current) stadiums the other day, what an improvement that is. Definitely a club on the up, and the new one looks very sharp and smart indeed.

They've coloured the seats mainly red but with splashes of random colours here and there, so on TV the ground still looks full. Always hated the brightly coloured seats of the ricoh, you can see every single empty seat so clearly.
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Maybe we can colour some of ours in gold and black just in case Wasps decide to move in later.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #137
Otis said:
Maybe we can colour some of ours in gold and black just in case Wasps decide to move in later.
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I reckon we should go for a different rugby team next time, just for a change.

Llanelli wouldn't be a bad choice.
 
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Paxman II

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #138
mark82 said:
Some good questions in there. One question for you is where has the £120m figure come from? What we don't know is if there will be a land cost, but in terms of build cost there are a couple of recent examples....

Rotherham - £20m
Shrewsbury - £11m

Ours will be bigger than those but construction costs aren't necessarily going to be huge. £30-£35 million is something that sticks in my head. Regardless, funding is a good question.
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The stadium cost question is a good one. The Ricoh was 110m if I recall and a 32.5k capacity. Yes there is the conference areas and hotel facility but it was built in the early 2000's. So what price today if we need to start from scratch again, buy land, clear land, add in additional infrastructure all at todays price? Don't think I would be faroff. If it was a modular style with just 15k to start capacity then it would still be 80/90m I would have thought. So why come back again and add additional capacity at a later stage when building cost have gone higher?
You are not going to get a 30k+ stadium for 30m. My boat's worth that....
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #139
Paxman II said:
The stadium cost question is a good one. The Ricoh was 110m if I recall and a 32.5k capacity. Yes there is the conference areas and hotel facility but it was built in the early 2000's. So what price today if we need to start from scratch again, buy land, clear land, add in additional infrastructure all at todays price? Don't think I would be faroff. If it was a modular style with just 15k to start capacity then it would still be 80/90m I would have thought. So why come back again and add additional capacity at a later stage when building cost have gone higher?
You are not going to get a 30k+ stadium for 30m. My boat's worth that....
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What’s the capacity on your boat? International waters is well out of CCC jurisdiction.

FWIW I think you can get a 20k ground for £30m if land purchase isn’t an issue and infrastructure is already accounted for. The Ricoh land had serious contamination issues that massively raised the development costs IIRC (also why it was chosen as I think the Tesco sale paid for the decontamination), also its 50% bigger and as you say has hotel/conference facilities included.
 
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mark82

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  • Jul 28, 2020
  • #140
Paxman II said:
The stadium cost question is a good one. The Ricoh was 110m if I recall and a 32.5k capacity. Yes there is the conference areas and hotel facility but it was built in the early 2000's. So what price today if we need to start from scratch again, buy land, clear land, add in additional infrastructure all at todays price? Don't think I would be faroff. If it was a modular style with just 15k to start capacity then it would still be 80/90m I would have thought. So why come back again and add additional capacity at a later stage when building cost have gone higher?
You are not going to get a 30k+ stadium for 30m. My boat's worth that....
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Depends if there is land cost. Will ask question about cost/budget though.

I've got a lot of catching up to do on this thread it seems!
 
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