Grendel
Well-Known Member
I wish I knew where he sat politically - I think he’s voted green Tory supported the coalition and UKIP
Some truth in what you say but your consistent rhetoric regarding posting 'the government' in every post just like PVA and Ian is like a broken record and invalidates and detracts away from many of your points. We understand where each of you sit politically but it is possible to have a conversation on a given subject without mentioning it. 'New Labour' had plenty of opportunity and implemented nothing and it seems your boy Keir has no plans to change it as you would like. Will we see the same backlash from you or is that Boris' fault too?
In my opinion it should be enshrined in international law that any sovereign nation taking part in military action within another sovereign nation's borders should be responsible for the people this displaces.
They should be made to either provide safe habitable living conditions within that nation through proper reconstruction, not just refugee camps but proper towns and cities with full infrastructure, or they should set up refugee processing centres within the country and neighbouring countries in order to process and transport the effected people.
As for shrugging off the deaths of children and vulnerable people. Get psychological help.
Yeah fuck it worldwide problems shouldn’t have a worldwide solution! Humans are so selfishSo if China decide to align with North Korea and attack South Korea the western alliance would have to provide assistance to house the fallout? It’s an odd train of thought
You are absolutely right about Labours plan - it’s no better than the current government one. And you could roll this back through successive Labour and Tory governments… all failed to address and deal with the real issue of their foreign policy being crap. If we are going to be involved in wars overseas, then we have to accept it creates displaced people which we should have responsibility for.
I sometimes think about things like drug laws as something comparable… if drugs were legalised then it would reduce the illegal drug trade (not eliminate it totally) because there would be appropriate regulations and control. If the refugee/asylum process was clearer, easier and more transparent then that could contribute to reducing the illegal trafficking.
Yeah fuck it worldwide problems shouldn’t have a worldwide solution! Humans are so selfish
If the western alliance get involved in this mad hypothetical WW3 then yes they should have to help displaced people.So if China decide to align with North Korea and attack South Korea the western alliance would have to provide assistance to house the fallout? It’s an odd train of thought
Now this is a factThe people who arranged the transport need jailing for life
If the western alliance get involved in this mad hypothetical WW3 then yes they should have to help displaced people.
In reality though we just have a number of proxy wars taking places in states destabilised due to our own foreign policy which we should take responsibility to the fallout from.
Well as it would be international law then China and Russia would be bound by it too. Them actually following through would be another thing. We should be aiming to be better than simple despots anyway.So the west just takes all responsibility while the despots of China Russia etc just carry on with zero consequences
Didn’t need to be law in those days. We used to have this old fashioned trait called decency back then.So when going to war with Nazi Germany one of the considerations should in law be that we had to deal with displaced people?
Aren’t we supposed to be better than them?So the west just takes all responsibility while the despots of China Russia etc just carry on with zero consequences
At what ? Football ?Aren’t we supposed to be better than them?
He might think they're coming here over France purely motivated on economic grounds . Does that make him a heartless c**t ? Certainly not.It might be their decision, but the insinuation that they therefore had their deaths coming to them is crass at best, and gives the impression he's an utterly heartless c**t. It also shows no empathy whatsoever about what might motivate people to make such a journey in the first place. It's easy for him to sit in his ivory bedsit and pass judgement, really.
Can you imagine the absolute outrage in today's woke world where we actually rounded up Germans who happened to be living in Britain whilst Hitler planned to invade , all because they might be a threat to the nation?So when going to war with Nazi Germany one of the considerations should in law be that we had to deal with displaced people?
He might think they're coming here over France purely motivated on economic grounds . Does that make him a heartless c**t ? Certainly not.
Whether he lives in a bedsit, or a 6 bed mansion is irrelevant.
He might think they're coming here over France purely motivated on economic grounds . Does that make him a heartless c**t ? Certainly not.
So if he thinks they came over for economic reasons somehow it’s understandable to say he has no sympathy for children drowning. Classy.
You'd have to ask him. However , to call someone a c**t because they think that migrants are leaving the safety of France for the UK for reasons given is ridiculous.So if he thinks they came over for economic reasons somehow it’s understandable to say he has no sympathy for children drowning. Classy.
Mr macron couldn’t give a fuck how many children drown could he?
Let’s run with this and assume that he’s actually celebrating.
Does that make Marty’s comments ok?
Marty wasn't celebrating. Neither am I but this tragedy came as no surprise at all. Inevitable. The French have turned a blind eye at this from the start. They know what's going on. Couldn't care less. They have blood on their hands.Let’s run with this and assume that he’s actually celebrating.
Does that make Marty’s comments ok?
Well Marty isn’t a political leader
Marty wasn't celebrating. Neither am I but this tragedy came as no surprise at all. Inevitable. The French have turned a blind eye at this from the start. They know what's going on. Couldn't care less. They have blood on their hands.
You can waffle & deflect all on you want, someone coolly announcing they have no sympathy for kids drowning, and saying they brought it on themselves- pretty warped.
It's good to see you quoting directly . He clearly said he had no sympathy for kids drowning didn't he ? No ? We both know he meant he had no sympathy in general for the migrants. You're simply using the death of the children as a means to whip up some hysteria. Nice move.You can waffle & deflect all on you want, someone coolly announcing they have no sympathy for kids drowning, and saying they brought it on themselves- pretty warped.
For the migrants who died, yes you're right.We both know he meant he had no sympathy in general for the migrants.
It's good to see you quoting directly . He clearly said he had no sympathy for kids drowning didn't he ? No ? We both know he meant he had no sympathy in general for the migrants. You're simply using the death of the children as a means to whip up some hysteria. Nice move.
I think arguing about who cares the most or the least about the deaths is just aside from the real point.
It is absolutely tragic that this has happened, but as someone said above, there has been an inevitability about it.
The government need to put the lid back on the jam jar, and I blame them generally for making the UK such a walkover when it comes to giving stuff away. Ok, some might have family here, did they also cross the channel originally? How many are kids? Most I see are adult men, and on this occasion that seemed to generally be the case. Equally, the ´they are fleeing war torn countries´ only really goes so far. It is that kind of open border nonsense which fuels the right wing attitude towards it all.
Something needs to be done in collaboration with the UK and the French to make genuine asylum claims easier to process, stop people illegally trying to get across, remove handouts, and ensure failed asylum cases are rejected properly and deported. Not free to stay another 7 years and blow up taxi´s outside hospitals. Maybe if that happened there would be more compassion towards genuine refugee´s too.
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