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Nick

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #351
Where are you getting quotes from?

I was quoted about 3K for a 3 bed semi and windows and doors around 2-3K.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #352
Nick said:
Where are you getting quotes from?

I was quoted about 3K for a 3 bed semi and windows and doors around 2-3K.
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I've had three quotes, all roughly the same. Because there's no cavity to fill its either internal insulation, which makes all the rooms smaller, or external. There's then the added bonus that part of the external walls are pebbledash which is seems to be a pain to insulate over and therefore takes longer / costs more.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #353
chiefdave said:
I've had three quotes, all roughly the same. Because there's no cavity to fill its either internal insulation, which makes all the rooms smaller, or external. There's then the added bonus that part of the external walls are pebbledash which is seems to be a pain to insulate over and therefore takes longer / costs more.
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Yeah mine was pebble dash external.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #354
Nick said:
Yeah mine was pebble dash external.
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Who did you use? I thought the first quote was expensive so got two more and they were the same! Getting rid of the shitty pebble dashing would be a nice bonus on top of not freezing.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #355
chiefdave said:
Who did you use? I thought the first quote was expensive so got two more and they were the same! Getting rid of the shitty pebble dashing would be a nice bonus on top of not freezing.
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I didn't, it was a local company I got the quote from though.

Windows and Doors I used a local company too, much cheaper compared to the "bigger names".
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #356
chiefdave said:
Having just had some quotes done to insulate my not particularly big house I'm starting to think these protesters have a point that it needs government funding. Older house without cavity walls, apparently a common issue in this part of Cov, looking at £7K+ to insulate a 2 bed terrace

That's before you consider the cost of replacing the old double glazed windows and doors with something more energy effieicnet. That will make it over £10K to make the house more energy efficient. How many people have that sort of money lying around? If they do not sure insulation is top of their list of things to spend it on.
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it’s also insane to think the government can fund it. Doors and windows are relatively cheap in comparison.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #357
Grendel said:
it’s also insane to think the government can fund it. Doors and windows are relatively cheap in comparison.
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What like pay millions of people to stay at home insanity?? Course they can it’s choice
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #358
Sky Blue Pete said:
What like pay millions of people to stay at home insanity?? Course they can it’s choice
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Yes it’s insane. The millions to stay at home protected the benefit overload and catastrophic business losses Also the planet will still burn and people will end up with huge tax hikes. China ain’t insulating anything
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #359
Nick said:
Where are you getting quotes from?

I was quoted about 3K for a 3 bed semi and windows and doors around 2-3K.
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That’s ridiculously cheap!
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #360
shmmeee said:
That’s ridiculously cheap!
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I am replacing 8 windows - I admit small - for £1,200 at the office - plenty of bargains out there
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #361
chiefdave said:
Who did you use? I thought the first quote was expensive so got two more and they were the same! Getting rid of the shitty pebble dashing would be a nice bonus on top of not freezing.
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The government's latest green deal is coming to an end, (its been a bit ofa disaster), but I'd imagine there will be another one along at some point in the near future. You'd have got external insulation for a lot less than you've been quoted.
I'd sit tight if I were you at try nd get your windows done in the meantime
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #362
clint van damme said:
I'd sit tight if I were you at try nd get your windows done in the meantime
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Well there's no way I can afford what I'm being quoted for insulation so that might have to be the plan! Probably better anyway as it will be external insulation and therefore it will have to be rendered. No point doing that first then have the windows changed and risk them messing up the render.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #363
chiefdave said:
I've had three quotes, all roughly the same. Because there's no cavity to fill its either internal insulation, which makes all the rooms smaller, or external. There's then the added bonus that part of the external walls are pebbledash which is seems to be a pain to insulate over and therefore takes longer / costs more.
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Beena few done round by me in the last few months,no idea if a govt initiative,but govt involvement will always jack up a contractors price .
Anyway I stopped one morning and asked 3 eastern European lads doing it 2days but not a full second day, said £41
Sqm which I didn't think was bad .
Typical terrace is what4x6sqm about a thousand.
Never see these guys doing the backs of houses though so what happens to the heat lost there.
You know what it's probably a job a good diyer could handle Very little to it, probably a YT tutorial and you're away.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #364
wingy said:
Beena few done round by me in the last few months,no idea if a govt initiative,but govt involvement will always jack up a contractors price .
Anyway I stopped one morning and asked 3 eastern European lads doing it 2days but not a full second day, said £41
Sqm which I didn't think was bad .
Typical terrace is what4x6sqm about a thousand.
Never see these guys doing the backs of houses though so what happens to the heat lost there.
You know what it's probably a job a good diyer could handle Very little to it, probably a YT tutorial and you're away.
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There are some right cowboys around to be honest. There were a few got done near my sisters old house during the last green deal initiative and the finishes on them were horrendous.
 

stay_up_skyblues

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #365
clint van damme said:
There are some right cowboys around to be honest. There were a few got done near my sisters old house during the last green deal initiative and the finishes on them were horrendous.
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Around 40% of my claims portfolio at the minute is made up of actions against (now liquidated) cavity wall installation companies.

Incorporated when one of the Govt. funded schemes came about, bodge filled cavities with sprayed/foam insulation without checking the property was suitable and now there are tens of thousands of claims for internal damp damage.

The damp/damage itself tends to be fairly minor but the cost and effort involved in getting the insulation out is the killer.

The pop up law firms farming the claims on a no win no fee basis are equally as cowboy as some of the outfits that did the work.
 
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JAM See

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #366
stay_up_skyblues said:
Around 40% of my claims portfolio at the minute is made up of actions against (now liquidated) cavity wall installation companies.

Incorporated when one of the Govt. funded schemes came about, bodge filled cavities with sprayed/foam insulation without checking the property was suitable and now there are tens of thousands of claims for internal damp damage.

The damp/damage itself tends to be fairly minor but the cost and effort involved in getting the insulation out is the killer.

The pop up law firms farming the claims on a no win no fee basis are equally as cowboy as some of the outfits that did the work.
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Many years ago, we had the pellet type cavity wall insulation done.

Every time I put some shelves up or whatever, I would invariability drill too far and end up with a load of pellets coming back through the wall.

No idea whether it worked or not. Didn't notice any decrease in the energy bills.
 

hill83

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #367
Last page proves the protesters are doing a good job. Got us talking about it.
I'm off to glue my face to a Wetherspoons.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #368
Grendel said:
it’s also insane to think the government can fund it. Doors and windows are relatively cheap in comparison.
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Of course it's insane. If they did that how would they be able to give billions to their mates in unfulfilled contracts or reduce the taxes of the wealthy? It's utterly barmy.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #369
hill83 said:
Last page proves the protesters are doing a good job. Got us talking about it.
I'm off to glue my face to a Wetherspoons.
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Just lie on the carpet. Job done.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #370
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Of course it's insane. If they did that how would they be able to give billions to their mates in unfulfilled contracts or reduce the taxes of the wealthy? It's utterly barmy.
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Vote for a party that recommends this idiocy then.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #371
Grendel said:
Vote for a party that recommends this idiocy then.
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Conservative Manifesto: Party promises green home upgrade drive in pursuit of net zero goal

Manifesto to reiterate support for net zero by 2050 target and deliver new £6.3bn fund to help improve energy efficiency of fuel poor households
www.businessgreen.com
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #372
chiefdave said:

Conservative Manifesto: Party promises green home upgrade drive in pursuit of net zero goal

Manifesto to reiterate support for net zero by 2050 target and deliver new £6.3bn fund to help improve energy efficiency of fuel poor households
www.businessgreen.com
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er that’s a levy Dave and a grant but not a freebie - you can get a £5 grand contribution in an electric heat pump but - heaven forbid - you actually have to put some money in yourself. What a shocking concept!
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #373
clint van damme said:
There are some right cowboys around to be honest. There were a few got done near my sisters old house during the last green deal initiative and the finishes on them were horrendous.
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Done it correctly and a decent finish tbf,but must have got a bargain deal on thousands of kilogrammes of render as it's dark grey ,looks like raw cement Lol.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #374
Grendel said:
er that’s a levy Dave and a grant but not a freebie - you can get a £5 grand contribution in an electric heat pump but - heaven forbid - you actually have to put some money in yourself. What a shocking concept!
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It's a shame they can't do these grants a more subtle way IE:- through a tax relief rebate mechanism as the contractor's go lovely jubly once the scheme's are evident .
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #375
Sky Blue Pete said:
What like pay millions of people to stay at home insanity?? Course they can it’s choice
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The cost would be twice the furlough scheme and the planet would still burn as China tbe us and India will do fuck all
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #376
Grendel said:
The cost would be twice the furlough scheme and the planet would still burn as China tbe us and India will do fuck all
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Mmmm interesting I wonder who India and china are making all the stuff for?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #377
Sky Blue Pete said:
Mmmm interesting I wonder who India and china are making all the stuff for?
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As one said don’t buy the goods then. Buy nothing.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #378
Grendel said:
The cost would be twice the furlough scheme and the planet would still burn as China tbe us and India will do fuck all
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It's no good idly blaming them , they've been cheered along all the way by the fund managers,multi national business etc and greenwashing Govt's outsourcing there pollution IMO.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #379
Grendel said:
As one said don’t buy the goods then. Buy nothing.
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Well this came out the other day in a debate or radio programme may have been an admission from Govt or even Boris himself but not certain ,but yes none or negative growth.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #380
wingy said:
It's no good idly blaming them , they've been cheered along all the way by the fund managers,multi national business etc and greenwashing Govt's outsourcing there pollution IMO.
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Also every consumer who wants and demands cheap products. In the end everyone pretends to care but everyone hides behind the fact individual action achieves nothing so I’ll keep consuming McDonald’s, buying cheap clothing and consumables from China and India and it’s not my fault. Put prices up then it’s - we can’t afford it - get the government out
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #381
Grendel said:
As one said don’t buy the goods then. Buy nothing.
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Is that even possible when China makes 75% of all battery cells made in the world. Everything you own that has a battery contains a component that was probably made in China even if the item itself wasn’t.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #382
skybluetony176 said:
Is that even possible when China makes 75% of all battery cells made in the world. Everything you own that has a battery contains a component that was probably made in China even if the item itself wasn’t.
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Sounds like nopm justifying Wembley tickets.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #383
Nick said:
Sounds like nopm justifying Wembley tickets.
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Not even remotely. It’s just a fact of life. Actually it’s also the suggestion that China’s carbon footprint is China’s problem, it isn’t. China is the world’s factory. Every industry in the world relies on raw materials and components from China so the suggestion that you can just boycott Chinese goods is just bollocks, it’s one of the world’s biggest producers of literally everything from plastic pellets to make plastic components, metal ingots to make metal components from.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #384
Grendel said:
I am replacing 8 windows - I admit small - for £1,200 at the office - plenty of bargains out there
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You didn´t get a quote from someone with first name Bright, second name Enobakhare, did you?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2021
  • #385
Grendel said:
er that’s a levy Dave and a grant but not a freebie - you can get a £5 grand contribution in an electric heat pump but - heaven forbid - you actually have to put some money in yourself. What a shocking concept!
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£5K towards this will get you virtually nowhere. Not saying there shouldn’t be a personal contribution but the ‘some’ is actually the significant proportion.
 
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