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Looking at this logically after some sleep (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Oct 28, 2020
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #71
10 wins from 19 since Jones returned
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #72
Wycombe
Rotherham
QPR
Birmingham
Wednesday
Barnsley

Are the teams we'll be fighting with. You'd imagine Forest and Derby are good enough to pull themselves up the table.

But I'm confident we can finish above 3 of those teams.

I think Wycombe and Rotherham will go. Then it's one from 4 or 5 teams. Got to fancy our chances.
 
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larry_david

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #73
Wouldn't worry bout sheff wed. Their fans on twatter saying they're abysmal after early promise
 

SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #74
rob9872 said:
Over 46 games we'll be better than Rotherham and Wycombe. SW are better but only clawed back 3 points so far abd will be in the mix til the end as will we, Luton, Barnsley, QPR Huddersfield and Birmingham imo. We only need need to better one of those.

Barnsley beat QPR but so did we and Luton are in false position imo in tge same way that Derby or Fore are is will finish well above us. Not time to hit the ball with panic button just yet.
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Wycombe I agree but not Rotherham. We failed to beat them over 2 games last season and so far have started better than us
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #75
AFCCOVENTRY said:
Fitness and game management only comes from playing more competitive games.

I worry Weds will overtake us in time and then we will be 2nd from bottom. Wycombe were brilliant on the attack against Watford last night.And we can’t bank on points deductions for other teams.
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Even Wycombe are having a go at least rather than just rolling over for 0-1/2/3/4
 

AOM

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #76
I know we've battered them in the past and are kinda their bogey team, but I don't think us beating Wycombe is an absolute given as some are making out.
Feel we're also going to need to cause a few upsets along the way against some of the top end teams to survive this season
 
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mr_monkey

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #77
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Even Wycombe are having a go at least rather than just rolling over for 0-1/2/3/4
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So you've watched all their games have you?

if shipperz had scored that tap in last night it would have been a completely story, same as if O'Hare had scored against Swansea. The points don't lie and so far we have been better than Wycombe as we have more points than them
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #78
mr_monkey said:
So you've watched all their games have you?

if shipperz had scored that tap in last night it would have been a completely story, same as if O'Hare had scored against Swansea. The points don't lie and so far we have been better than Wycombe as we have more points than them
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I’ve seen enough to suggest they are improving each week and we’re getting worse. Shipley did miss the tap in, he also screwed the chance to tee up Godden and aside from that we had nothing going forward. It’s the trend line that worries me more than the position on the graph
 

Sick Boy

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #79
He’s done better than I thought but having Godden as your main striker at this level, especially playing a lone role, is a recipe for disaster. He’s a decent squad player at this level but not much more than that.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #80
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Wycombe held Watford to a draw last night, they know they’re going down as much as anyone but still don’t roll over for the top sides and accept it as a formality.
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I giver it about two weeks before people on this forum are talking about Wycombe in the same breathe as 80s AC Milan.
We drew with Swansea who are above Watford.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #81
clint van damme said:
I giver it about two weeks before people on this forum are talking about Wycombe in the same breathe as 80s AC Milan.
We drew with Swansea who are above Watford.
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Funny because some talk about Middlesbrough like 2008 Barca
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #82
So...

drawing with Watford = improving every week, not lying down and accepting defeat

Drawing with Swansea = getting worse every week, giving up before we've even kicked a ball

Got to love this forum. Seems like some people are only happy when we're losing so they can have a moan
 
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mrtrench

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #83
larry_david said:
Wouldn't worry bout sheff wed. Their fans on twatter saying they're abysmal after early promise
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They haven't played us yet. Bet that makes them rediscover their early promise.
 

clint van damme

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #84
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Funny because some talk about Middlesbrough like 2008 Barca
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But you keep banging on about how they're showing fight yet we drew with a team above Watford, so is that not a credible draw that showed fight?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #85
clint van damme said:
But you keep banging on about how they're showing fight yet we drew with a team above Watford, so is that not a credible draw that showed fight?
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Swansea was a decent point, should have been all 3. We're getting worse by the week mind
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #86
PVA said:
Seems like some people are only happy when we're losing so they can have a moan
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That's bullshit sorry
 

Dickie

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #87
PVA said:
Wycombe
Rotherham
QPR
Birmingham
Wednesday
Barnsley

Are the teams we'll be fighting with. You'd imagine Forest and Derby are good enough to pull themselves up the table.

But I'm confident we can finish above 3 of those teams.

I think Wycombe and Rotherham will go. Then it's one from 4 or 5 teams. Got to fancy our chances.
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Weds are in a false position, they’re decent. They won’t be fighting relegation unfortunately
 

Dickie

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #88
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Swansea was a decent point, should have been all 3. We're getting worse by the week mind
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We played so well second half v Swansea. I guess the only games since then were Rovers where a stupid decision cost us and Boro where both their goals were from our mistakes arguably. Like others I’m worried about where the goals are coming from though.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #89
Dickie said:
Weds are in a false position, they’re decent. They won’t be fighting relegation unfortunately
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A lot of their fans disagree. They think they're rubbish and want Monk sacked. (Mind you if they're anything like the fans on here then they're just overreacting).
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #90
Dickie said:
We played so well second half v Swansea. I guess the only games since then were Rovers where a stupid decision cost us and Boro where both their goals were from our mistakes arguably. Like others I’m worried about where the goals are coming from though.
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It was the same last season, we relied on our defence and won most games by the odd goal.

The same defence is now shipping 2 goals a game and we don’t have the goals to counter it
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #91
PVA said:
A lot of their fans disagree. They think they're rubbish and want Monk sacked. (Mind you if they're anything like the fans on here then they're just overreacting).
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How should people react to 1 point and 2 goals in 5 games? Should we be pleased by the manner of performance so far this season? I know some people are happy for us to get beaten every week because the opposition have a couple of ex-United players or spent a bit of money on a few players but not all of us are so willing to accept that.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #92
SeaSeeEffCee said:
How should people react to 1 point and 2 goals in 5 games? Should we be pleased by the manner of performance so far this season? I know some people are happy for us to get beaten every week because the opposition have a couple of ex-United players or spent a bit of money on a few players but not all of us are so willing to accept that.
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How should people react?

By not throwing their toys out the pram and declaring everyone shit, ideally.

Your last sentence is just laughable and does not warrant a response.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #93
SeaSeeEffCee said:
How should people react to 1 point and 2 goals in 5 games? Should we be pleased by the manner of performance so far this season? I know some people are happy for us to get beaten every week because the opposition have a couple of ex-United players or spent a bit of money on a few players but not all of us are so willing to accept that.
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no ones happy about us getting beat but it's about been realistic. We're playing teams with far greater resource, you have to factor that in when assessing a performance.
We can't do to teams in this league what we were doing to teams in L1but it seems that some people expect it.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #94
Other than Godden for goals we are relying on O’Hare who has scored 1 goal in 31 starts for us
 

hill83

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #95
PVA said:
How should people react?

By not throwing their toys out the pram and declaring everyone shit, ideally.

Your last sentence is just laughable and does not warrant a response.
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By not saying people are happy when we are losing which is a mistake I made a few times last season. But I'm a better person than that now.
That would be a start anyway.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #96
SeaSeeEffCee said:
How should people react to 1 point and 2 goals in 5 games? Should we be pleased by the manner of performance so far this season? I know some people are happy for us to get beaten every week because the opposition have a couple of ex-United players or spent a bit of money on a few players but not all of us are so willing to accept that.
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Honestly, log out and have a breather. You're on every thread with this hysteria
 
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chiefdave

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #97
hill83 said:
By not saying people are happy when we are losing which is a mistake I made a few times last season. But I'm a better person than that now.
That would be a start anyway.
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Not sure why its so difficult for people to accept that being realistic about the resources we have available compared to other teams in this division isn't saying that you're happy to get thumped every game.
 
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mr_monkey

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #98
SeaSeeEffCee said:
How should people react to 1 point and 2 goals in 5 games? Should we be pleased by the manner of performance so far this season? I know some people are happy for us to get beaten every week because the opposition have a couple of ex-United players or spent a bit of money on a few players but not all of us are so willing to accept that.
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When you say a bit of money you do realise that the player that scored their first goal cost them over 10 million quid
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #99
clint van damme said:
no ones happy about us getting beat but it's about been realistic. We're playing teams with far greater resource, you have to factor that in when assessing a performance.
We can't do to teams in this league what we were doing to teams in L1but it seems that some people expect it.
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I don't expect us to be able to dominate games like last season, we clearly don't have the ability to do so. However I do expect us to be able to do the basics right and not make games so ridiculously easy for the opposition. If you get promoted to a league that is deemed a large step up the first thing you need to do is make yourselves hard to beat. We've completely regressed in that regard from last season and now gift the opposition a multitude of scoring opportunities every game. You can't continue to concede 2 goals per game while barely scoring and expect thing to work out.
 

hill83

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #100
chiefdave said:
Not sure why its so difficult for people to accept that being realistic about the resources we have available compared to other teams in this division isn't saying that you're happy to get thumped every game.
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Because everything is one thing or the other. No in between. And I can quite clearly see you want us to go down.
 
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PVA

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #101
SeaSeeEffCee said:
I don't expect us to be able to dominate games like last season, we clearly don't have the ability to do so. However I do expect us to be able to do the basics right and not make games so ridiculously easy for the opposition. If you get promoted to a league that is deemed a large step up the first thing you need to do is make yourselves hard to beat. We've completely regressed in that regard from last season and now gift the opposition a multitude of scoring opportunities every game. You can't continue to concede 2 goals per game while barely scoring and expect thing to work out.
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Ah yes, can't believe nobody has thought of that yet, we just need to make ourselves hard to beat, somebody tell Robins!


Come on mate. Do you really think we have regressed in that sense and that we are easier to break down this season compared to last?

It's not us that has regressed, it's that the opposition is on a whole other planet compared to what we faced last season.
 
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hill83

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #102
For me.

I know we are up against it and every game worries me.
We look shit at the moment.
We will hopefully improve.
I'm fully aware of the resources available to other teams in the division compared to us and that will be a factor. (already is a factor)
Doesn't mean it can be used as an excuse all the time though.
Carling tastes like shit.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #103
stupot07 said:
Which fixtures do you believe points lie?


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The teams you'd imagine will be in the bottom half, these are the games we must be confident of taking points.. Otherwise we pack up and start again next season... There aren't 24 great sides in this league
 
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Evo1883

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #104
SlowerThanPlatt said:
There is only 1 on current form
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True, but most haven't played the teams we've played have they tbh
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Oct 28, 2020
  • #105
Evo1883 said:
True, but most haven't played the teams we've played have they tbh
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Barnsley have took 6 points from 15 against a similar calibre of opponent
 
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