Oh all souls can be saved that’s not the same as having a justice system that serves society well though. Interesting there are 75 people locked away for whole life terms. Can’t work out the wider issues but this guy shouldn’t have been released without probation considering his risk to societyI appreciate your sentiment, but when are you and others going to realise that not all souls can be saved?
There are people in this world that need locking up/taken out of it. No friendly chats or rehabilitation can save them.
Oh all souls can be saved that’s not the same as having a justice system that serves society well though. Interesting there are 75 people locked away for whole life terms. Can’t work out the wider issues but this guy shouldn’t have been released without probation considering his risk to society
Yep courseIt’s easy saying that now. Same as we can all say Ian Huntley shouldn’t have been allowed near kids. Or Saville was a pedo.
Yet no one can tell me who the next pedo or terrorist will be. Which if it’s so easy to spot who can be redeemed and who can’t should be simple.
How can you spot these “unsavable souls”. And what if you’re an atheist and don’t believe in souls?
There is no solution. I don't want to hug a terrorist who blows up children in Manchester etc. I want them to die a very slow and painful death. Sorry but they deserve nothing less.Metro headline says about the two young people murdered that they were killed for caring.
I think they were killed by the hatred which divides nation from nation, race from race and class from class in the words of the cathedral litany. All the hate papers are showing their hatred this morning. They really aren’t part of any solution
Oh all souls can be saved that’s not the same as having a justice system that serves society well though. Interesting there are 75 people locked away for whole life terms. Can’t work out the wider issues but this guy shouldn’t have been released without probation considering his risk to society
There is no solution. I don't want to hug a terrorist who blows up children in Manchester etc. I want them to die a very slow and painful death. Sorry but they deserve nothing less.
I don’t what have I said that makes you think that?If seriously think that Usman Khan could be saved by roasting marshmallows and singing Kumbaya round the campfire your insane
I think he killed himselfThere is no solution. I don't want to hug a terrorist who blows up children in Manchester etc. I want them to die a very slow and painful death. Sorry but they deserve nothing less.
My point was more aimed at the already convicted.
So none of them are savable?
Im not trying to be a cock. But either you think some people can change and therefore you need a system to try and change all people and assess the level of that change, or you don’t think anyone can change and we condemn people for life on first offence.
Assuming you’re somewhere in the former category, how do we tell?
There was an interesting woman on R4 this morning saying how traditional rehabilitation techniques aren’t proven to work with terrorists and how we need to look at other places but no ones really got it right. That I can buy, that we need better rehab specifically for terrorists, but the point still stands that you don’t write people off after one offence. Or even two or three arguably
How many chances would we want a child of ours to be given? It’s a really thorny question.
They are terrorists. Why in any way would you think they could be savable?:banghead::banghead::banghead:
Maajid Nawaz - Wikipedia
Another thing you’ll understand when you grow up. Life isn’t like the movies, easily split into goodies and baddies.
There was a bloke on 5Live yesterday. Was a former terrorist jihadist. Had totally turned his life around and was now employed in a role to trying to stop others becoming radicalised.They are terrorists. Why in any way would you think they could be savable?:banghead::banghead::banghead:
But how can you argue, like honestly now.... that people who have tried and planned to commit terrorist attacks against innocent people can seriously be reformed? Simple answer is they can't and they will be a huge threat to our safety and security
Would you feel safe living next to someone convicted?? I think if we surveyed this question we know what the majority answer would be
Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist for many years.They are terrorists. Why in any way would you think they could be savable?:banghead::banghead::banghead:
Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist for many years.
Yup, our Maggie called him one, didn't she?Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist for many years.
You know, I gave you a chancve, thought you might have found your brain cell, but this response shows, yet again, that you're clearly too stupid to engage in rational conversation.Of course you'd disagree with a point i made, wouldn't expect anything less
Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist for many years.
Yup, our Maggie called him one, didn't she?
I agree.If you follow that logic he won and managed to get the society he wanted. I don’t want the society Usman Khan is fighting for
I agree.
I'm just pointing out that the blanket qualifier of 'terrorist' shouldn't be used to judge.
Was Michael Collins a terrorist? Eamonn De Valera? James Connolly? Padraig Pearce?She called Gerry Adams one as well - unlike Mr Corbyn who sold his book for him in the commons
So none of them are savable?
Im not trying to be a cock. But either you think some people can change and therefore you need a system to try and change all people and assess the level of that change, or you don’t think anyone can change and we condemn people for life on first offence.
Assuming you’re somewhere in the former category, how do we tell?
There was an interesting woman on R4 this morning saying how traditional rehabilitation techniques aren’t proven to work with terrorists and how we need to look at other places but no ones really got it right. That I can buy, that we need better rehab specifically for terrorists, but the point still stands that you don’t write people off after one offence. Or even two or three arguably
How many chances would we want a child of ours to be given? It’s a really thorny question.
But how can you argue, like honestly now.... that people who have tried and planned to commit terrorist attacks against innocent people can seriously be reformed? Simple answer is they can't and they will be a huge threat to our safety and security
Would you feel safe living next to someone convicted?? I think if we surveyed this question we know what the majority answer would be
Although this probably wouldn't be popular and wouldn't be suitable for all but maybe one of the ways to look at it differently if more traditional rehabilitation isn't working is to question the logic of their beliefs and point out the obvious flaws and errors.
The obvious obstacle is that some would see it as 'conditioning' but IMO you're far less likely to try and kill someone over your beliefs if there's a bit of doubt in your mind about them.
She called Gerry Adams one as well - unlike Mr Corbyn who sold his book for him in the commons
Loved Pinochet.she didn't have a bad word to say about Pol Pot though.
Loved Pinochet.
Was Michael Collins a terrorist? Eamonn De Valera? James Connolly? Padraig Pearce?
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You really are an obnoxious fool. Do some reading and educated yourself.Without doubt yes. I believe De Velara was spared the execution he deserved for treachery
You really are an obnoxious fool. Do some reading and educated yourself.
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