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keano_no1

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #1
With Gyokores signing, I believe he is our 6th loan signing and I think you can only have 5 in the match day squad, so who's going to miss out?
 

stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #2
One of Giles or Sam depending on who starts I imagine.
 

Greggs

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #3
Giles! Weren't good enough for us in League 1, never mind this division. McCallum miles better player
 
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lord_garrincha

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #4
They are giving Sheaf Kastaneer's shirt and are hoping the refs don't cotton on.
 
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Alkhen

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #5
Greggs said:
Giles! Weren't good enough for us in League 1, never mind this division. McCallum miles better player
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Well harsh, Giles has been decent especially going forward. Definitely contributed more than a few points with his early season assists. Do agree he'll be the one dropped though. Think we will miss him off the bench mind, not all that many options to change things
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #6
Do think it’ll be Giles, which is a shame because he’s still our most effective attacker. Hope we are planning on bringing in a permanent AM otherwise I’d worry we’ll become too defensive again.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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There much i like about Giles but I don't agree that he's our most effective attacking player. A few good runs and crosses early on true, such as against QPR and Norwich, but since then he has been reluctant to go forward. Also his shooting is poor. There were a number of occasions when he should have scored but he missed or shot really tamely.

Dabo is much more effective going forward from wing back, and arguably McCallum too. And obviously Hamer and O'Hare are better going forward.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #8
Deleted member 9744 said:
There much i like about Giles but I don't agree that he's our most effective attacking player. A few good runs and crosses early on true, such as against QPR and Norwich, but since then he has been reluctant to go forward. Also his shooting is poor. There were a number of occasions when he should have scored but he missed or shot really tamely.

Dabo is much more effective going forward from wing back, and arguably McCallum too. And obviously Hamer and O'Hare are better going forward.
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The stats say very differently.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #9
Most likely one of Giles or Sam, most of the time Giles. may also see Sheaf miss out occassionally when kelly is back as I'd like to see Kelly and james together and Sheaf's game isn't suited to playing more advanced IMO. Hamer's i think is.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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Depends what stats you use.

How about goals for example:

Hamer 4
O'Hare 2
McCallum 1
Giles 0

Dabo wasn't fit early on so that affects his stats.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #11
I would let Giles go back to Wolves and recall Mason. Then getting another attacking player on a free transfer if possible.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Most likely one of Giles or Sam, most of the time Giles. may also see Sheaf miss out occassionally when kelly is back as I'd like to see Kelly and james together and Sheaf's game isn't suited to playing more advanced IMO. Hamer's i think is.
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I feel Sheaf is becoming increasingly important and improving too and doubt he will be left out often. I really like Kelly but suspect it is either him or James.
 

stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #13
I wouldn’t send Giles back. He’ll start in the odd game where we go primarily attacking, as has been the case all season. He’s superior to Mason going forwards.
 

lord_garrincha

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #14
Deleted member 9744 said:
Depends what stats you use.

How about goals for example:

Hamer 4
O'Hare 2
McCallum 1
Giles 0

Dabo wasn't fit early on so that affects his stats.
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It doesn't... Unless it is the Kassam Stadium... Dabo won't score.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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AFCCOVENTRY said:
I would let Giles go back to Wolves and recall Mason. Then getting another attacking player on a free transfer if possible.
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Tend to agree. Think the step up has come a season too early for Giles. If he stays i would love to be proved wrong. Potentially he is a really good player.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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lord_garrincha said:
It doesn't... Unless it is the Kassam Stadium... Dabo won't score.
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But he creates
 
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Samo

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #17
stay_up_skyblues said:
I wouldn’t send Giles back. He’ll start in the odd game where we go primarily attacking, as has been the case all season. He’s superior to Mason going forwards.
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So which loan would you leave out of the match-day squad? Something has to give.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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lord_garrincha said:
It doesn't... Unless it is the Kassam Stadium... Dabo won't score.
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Can't believe we are even debating who is better out of Gikes and Dabo
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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Samo said:
So which loan would you leave out of the match-day squad? Something has to give.
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Either Sam or Giles depending on whether we are going attacking from the off or not.

In practice, one of the loans will probably be injured/fatigued or rotated half the time.
 

Samo

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #20
There is another way... turn Sheaf into a permanent signing in this window. One less loan.
 
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stupot07

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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Samo said:
So which loan would you leave out of the match-day squad? Something has to give.
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It will probably be Sheaf. Even if you leave one of Giles or McCallum out, they get injured 5 minutes in, who's going left wingback?

Leave sheaf out you've got hamer and James definitely starting, o'hare, shippley, Allen, eccles and bapaga all competing to start or get on the bench.

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #22
Samo said:
There is another way... turn Sheaf into a permanent signing in this window. One less loan.
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Did consider that but I assume that would use up the rest of the budget and thus mean bringing in another loan would be unaffordable unless we didn't pay their wages. unlikely to happen.

Unless we can make an agreement to make a small down payment now with the rest next season or spread out. But also have to consider would we then be paying more to the player as a permanent signing than a loanee?
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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Deleted member 9744 said:
I feel Sheaf is becoming increasingly important and improving too and doubt he will be left out often. I really like Kelly but suspect it is either him or James.
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Kelly has proven instrumental in terms of results and leadership, and james also has much more experience. You'd want both playing IMO. Sheaf has a mistake in him at times, taking too much time on the ball which he will iron out over time.

Either may need a rest at some point and Sheaf will step in and it makes more sense to leave out one of the two LWB's as neither are likely to play at the same time. It'd just remove the option of being able to replace them if they were playing poorly. Which I guess we could call mason back for that possibility but he's an out and out LB so not entirely suitable.
 

stupot07

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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Deleted member 9744 said:
Depends what stats you use.

How about goals for example:

Hamer 4
O'Hare 2
McCallum 1
Giles 0

Dabo wasn't fit early on so that affects his stats.
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Chance creation/attacking Stats per 90 mins comparison.

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Greggs

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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stupot07 said:
Chance creation/attacking Stats per 90 mins comparison.

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Any defensive stats?????
 
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Frostie

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #26
stupot07 said:
It will probably be Sheaf. Even if you leave one of Giles or McCallum out, they get injured 5 minutes in, who's going left wingback?
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Dacosta
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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stupot07 said:
Chance creation/attacking Stats per 90 mins comparison.

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So equal games. Both 1 assist. McCallum one goal, Giles none.

And McCallum is much better defensively.
 

stupot07

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #28
Greggs said:
Any defensive stats?????
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Yeah i'll add them. I was really responding to Herts who said Giles wasn't an attacking threat, then used goals scored as the measure.

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stupot07

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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Deleted member 9744 said:
So equal games. Both 1 assist. McCallum one goal, Giles none.

And McCallum is much better defensively.
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But Giles creates more chances, puts in more crosses, and more or the ball in the opposition half. Not his fault if strikers/o'hare miss them.

No one has disputed thay McCallum is better defensively, just that we shouldn't just discard Giles as he is one of most effective attacking outlets.

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cov donkey kick

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #30
Frostie said:
Dacosta
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I was thinking when he signed it was reported dacosta could play both flanks.
Also attacking wise think bapaga will be involved more regularly.
 
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hill83

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #31
stupot07 said:
But Giles creates more chances, puts in more crosses, and more or the ball in the opposition half. Not his fault if strikers/o'hare miss them.

No one has disputed thay McCallum is better defensively, just that we shouldn't just discard Giles as he is one of most effective attacking outlets.

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I mean it could be if it’s wild crosses into nobody. Stats are good but they can be tweaked to offer any argument.

Is there a was about to whip it in but noticed Godden was isolated up against two 6 foot defenders so decided to keep the ball instead stat?
 
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better days

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  • Jan 17, 2021
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With Wolves just giving Giles a 5 year deal can't see them allowing him to stay here if he's not starting the majority of games
They're likely to recall him and loan him to another Championship side where he's got more chance of game time
 
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mds

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #33
Let Giles go back and bring Mason back would be my approach, not convinced Mason is up to it going forward but could do a job as back up to McCallum.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Kelly has proven instrumental in terms of results and leadership.
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I think that is coincedental, Kelly came back at around the same time we changed our style of play and the quality of opponents changed dramatically for us. We started the season way too naively trying to play the football we did in league 1 in a league where the quality of opponent is so much better.
If we had started the season more defensively in the style we changed to after 10 or 11 games things would have gone much differently and Kellys reintroduction would of had less of the perceived impact. Not to say we didnt miss him but the way we changed things as he came back made him look much more neccesary than he probably was.
 
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Frostie

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #34
better days said:
With Wolves just giving Giles a 5 year deal can't see them allowing him to stay here if he's not starting the majority of games
They're likely to recall him and loan him to another Championship side where he's got more chance of game time
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Which other Championship team could guarantee him regular starts though?
 

Hobo

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  • Jan 17, 2021
  • #35
I don 't think it will be a straight decision between McCallum and Giles. It is the obvious starting point but I can still see some roatation depending on the opposition.
 
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