Sky Blue Harry H
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Would you sooner see a season of football the way we play, or a season with more wins playing hoofball, if neither version got promotion?
i was more talking about style of play
The only good football is winning football
But Wycombe are an outlier. Always dangerous comparing one team at one point in time; it was Blackpool a few years ago - why couldn't we be like them as they were heading into the top flight? We don't use Bradford or Plymouth as comparisons.
There are obvious constant blind spots - who would join us as a striker just atm? but overall the way the team is managed is good. Add in the cultural issues (work for an organisation distracted / contracting / focused elsewhere and tell me it doesn't have an effect) and the job is especially good. Of course he's not perfect, but then that's why he's working at this level, too - and let's face it our best manager Sillett couldn't sign a striker to save his life either.
Would you sooner see a season of football the way we play, or a season with more wins playing hoofball, if neither version got promotion?
That's fair, it was more of a general point I was making, which may have been a bit crude, which was in response those who appear to be trying to gloss over a very poor run of form with 'yeah, but we play nice stuff at times'.
Thought yesterday myself I wonder what sisu are making of things 750k Godden on the bench playing 1 up front at bloody ShrewsburyTheres no need to apologise it’s just a view
The thing is when you look at Presley he had to sell Wilson and Clarke and really had to look in the basement bin for the likes of Mquod.
When we sold mcnulty Robins did purchase hiwula, Bakayoko and Chaplin (already having paid £125,000 on Clarke Harris)
We then offload Clarke Harris for free and pay a hefty sum for Godden
None of this spend is getting any return
In relative terms the board are supporting him and I don’t think the pay back is great
That's what Sunderland thought they were getting. Worked out well for them getting rid of Ross for a kick it long managerRobins likes playing this brand of football great when it works but I would prefer shit football that’s effective that wins games
I don’t mean long ball mate I just mean effective Shrewsbury were effected & far better than us all over the park Kelly was bullied by themThat's what Sunderland thought they were getting. Worked out well for them getting rid of Ross for a kick it long manager
The take bad football if it's winning football is all very well, but we're not blessed with times when we've done both. Bad football aplenty but winning...? Not so much!I don't disagree with you ferret, but enjoying the football we play is a big part of the experience for me. For all the grumbles about the elusive away win, compared to previous seasons, how many poor performances have we had at home this season - very few compared to previous seasons (including the promotion year)?
I don't disagree with you ferret, but enjoying the football we play is a big part of the experience for me. For all the grumbles about the elusive away win, compared to previous seasons, how many poor performances have we had at home this season - very few compared to previous seasons (including the promotion year)?
2 up front at PeterboroughThe frustration for me is that we are a good side, so why don't we put teams to the sword? Why, when we get our noses in front do we stop playing? Luton were ruthless in that sense last season. We can talk about the quality of our strikers, but there have been times when at 1-0 up we've barely got out of our own half.
The exception for me was Peterborough away. We were excellent that day and we kept playing. The late goal was a blow, but it wasn't the result of sitting back inviting pressure, aside from the last few minutes when perhaps that is just human nature. The difference that day? Two up front.
Would you sooner see a season of football the way we play, or a season with more wins playing hoofball, if neither version got promotion?
I don't think it has to one or the other mate.
I think we just need to tweak our approach at times. Particularly away from home. I know people don't like the expression game management but ours was appalling yesterday after we'd gone in front. We're becoming a lower league Arsenal where expect opponents to try and play us at our own game and stand back and clap when we show them we're better at it.
We got turned over by a bang average side yesterday.
But aren’t we trying to get promotion
The blueprint is clear to beat us I’m surprised we’ve only lost 3 all season,high press & mega aggressive approach we can’t deal with.The amount of long balls yesterday I don’t remember us winning anything up there but robins just let it continue if we were going long why not go 2 up front ? McCallums crossing was awful
I don't think it has to one or the other mate.
I think we just need to tweak our approach at times. Particularly away from home. I know people don't like the expression game management but ours was appalling yesterday after we'd gone in front. We're becoming a lower league Arsenal where expect opponents to try and play us at our own game and stand back and clap when we show them we're better at it.
We got turned over by a bang average side yesterday.
I can what happened yesterday start to happen a lot more mate after thatIf it's so obvious and easy to beat us, yet we've only lost 3 times, maybe we're not as bad and Robins isnt as clueless as you're making out?
If it's so obvious and easy to beat us, yet we've only lost 3 times, maybe we're not as bad and Robins isnt as clueless as you're making out?
No - managers you need to know when have exceeded shelf life
We should never have sacked Dowie at the time. Same as now is not the time to be changing managerYou made a comment about great football
Wycombe have a reputation for a direct and physical approach
They’ve won 12 games and scored more goals.
I think we are a boring predictable team
Ian Dowie had an overall win ratio of 40% and was at one point over 50%
By the end the last 15 games were at 15% and he was sacked when we were in the top half of the championship - Robins is at 20% in the last 10 games
We become very negative when we take the lead in a game.
I wouldn’t say brilliant. I want us to play this way but it’s not exactly providing a large number of goals and wins.
This is all well and good (even though I don't think MR has got anywhere near that stage yet - if he could just find a striker that could put chances away we'd very much be pushing at the top IMO) but it's easy to say "this is shit". The point is who/what do you think would be better?
We know you, or any of us, will not be involved in the actual decision, but this is a fan discussion board for people to air their views. We don't get a say in subs (despite that American geezers 'best' efforts) or formations/tactics, but we still talk about them. Sometimes we suggest things that don't work and look silly. Sometimes we get it right.
People would be interested to know who you think at this time would be a better alternative than MR? Yes, someone will likely scoff at names you put forward, but that's part of the appeal of being on here - what do others think?
A genuine question.
Would you rather us finish 8th or 9th playing this way or play how Wycombe play and get promoted to the Championship?
At the moment Wycombe’s style of play is producing more wins and goals than us - on average they have nearly 10% less possession of the ball every game
I would of course swap good football for wins but we have been having both. We were 2 points off automatic promotion at half time yesterday. To want rid of Robins now is everything that’s wrong with modern football.
Self indulgent drivel
I dont think anyone has said they dont enjoy the football the problem lies with 'seeing teams off' , our lack of goals is quite shocking and needs addressing as it has done for the 2nd time Robins has been here, he still has a chance to try and redeem himself in the lack of goals dept but he needs to get someone in with real quality if we are going to start being real contenders. Maybe the budgets not there or maybe our illustrious owners will not waste any more money on Robins duds up front...watch this space.If you can’t enjoy the football we’ve been playing this season then there is no hope of enjoyment for you ever.
This thread doesn’t get made at half time when we were 2 points off autos in the live table. It’s a long season, we lost a game, stop reacting like a toddler.
Robins likes playing this brand of football great when it works but I would prefer shit football that’s effective that wins games
FFS, hes got the best and 3rd best win % of our managers since the 60s or something like that.It was a cup replay though, we simply had to win. Tuesday's first half was a glimpse of what it would be like if we really went out to win games I think.
Robins is a paint by numbers manager when it comes to matchday. We won on Tuesday so kept the same team and tactics. We could easily (and should have) put fresh legs into today's line up. Mason and Westbrooke for example would not have weakened the side at all today.
I don't think we will ever get automatically promoted under Robins, he's just not brave enough or dynamic enough to get the amount of wins needed. We've scored 2 goals this season in the opening 15 minutes of the 20 games we've played and we have just 5 wins out of 66 matches back in L1 where we have won by a margin of 2 goals. That's 20 of our 25 wins by a single goal. Teams are never ever out of the game when they play us - it would be a monumental effort to get promoted under those circumstances.
And what makes you think Robin's cant see it?I dont want Robins gone but even Stevie Wonder can see we need more fire power up front.
I'll jusge Robins after January's transfer window. We need at least one striker in on loan and try to fit in the proven L1 striker Godden in our side how he was a Peterborough.
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But it could have been sooo much better if we knew how to win games betterIf it's so obvious and easy to beat us, yet we've only lost 3 times, maybe we're not as bad and Robins isnt as clueless as you're making out?
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