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  • Thread starter dongonzalos
  • Start date Jun 5, 2016
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Legal action

  • No the two areas are seperate and Wasps shouldn't be sticking their noses in that area

    Votes: 26 59.1%
  • Yes, the legal action doesn't help CCFC so if it helps secure the future of the club why not?

    Votes: 18 40.9%

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Astute

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  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #316
Sky Blue Kid said:
We can't send murderers back to their own Country for trial. because of a "Breech of their human rights". What about the rights of those they murdered?
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I remember one years ago that was allowed to stay because he had a cat. Another one was allowed to stay as he had just started a relationship a couple of weeks before the court case.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #317
Astute said:
We can make our own laws. But the EU can change them if they want. We have to follow their rules and laws.
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Like what? Why is it that in Ireland abortion is illegal? Why can you go into a coffee shop in Amsterdam and buy and smoke a spliff?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #318
Sky Blue Kid said:
We can't send murderers back to their own Country for trial. because of a "Breech of their human rights". What about the rights of those they murdered?
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Why not mention the ones who have been deported due to the EU arrest warrants?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #319
Astute said:
Depends how bad what it is that we do. Could be financial. Could be sanctions. Rebates could be stopped. They make a lot of it up as they go along.
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Could you provide us with examples of when this has happened before?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #320
Sick Boy said:
Like what? Why is it that in Ireland abortion is illegal? Why can you go into a coffee shop in Amsterdam and buy and smoke a spliff?
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Have they made a law that says abortion is legal?

Have they made a law saying that you can't have a spliff?

So to you it makes the rest of what they make us do OK?
 

colin101

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #321
Closer to home I remember when Peugeot decided to close Ryton with the loss of Coventry jobs they opened a brand new facility in Slovenia (partly paid for with EU grants)
In case someone wants some figures to show how the EU can benefit some countries at the expense of others just check the following and ask yourself why we are net contributors money wise and why Europe are desperate for us to stay

"In 2014 the taxpayers of Slovenia received from the European Union 310 euros per head over what they contributed. Since its accession to the EU the country has received from the European Union EUR 2260 million over what it has contributed" .
Quote via http://www.money-go-round.eu/Country.aspx?id=SI
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #322
Astute said:
Have they made a law that says abortion is legal?

Have they made a law saying that you can't have a spliff?

So to you it makes the rest of what they make us do OK?
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I've asked for examples and for an explanation as to why each EU country has different laws.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #323
Sick Boy said:
Could you provide us with examples of when this has happened before?
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We do as they say so no. All countries normally do. If there was no comeback why don't we just do what we want? Or are you making out that we don't have to do as they say?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #324
Astute said:
We do as they say so no. All countries normally do. If there was no comeback why don't we just do what we want? Or are you making out that we don't have to do as they say?
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I'm waiting for you to provide specific examples? I've already pointend out that EU countries can make their own laws.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #325
Sick Boy said:
I've asked for examples and for an explanation as to why each EU country has different laws.
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And ignored any questions you can't answer.

So are you saying that we don't have to follow their rules and regulations? Are you trying to make out that there isn't any?
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #326
Astute said:
And ignored any questions you can't answer.

So are you saying that we don't have to follow their rules and regulations? Are you trying to make out that there isn't any?
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Regulating like maternity pay and a set number of holidays per year? You are the expert at ignoring questions.

I'm still waiting for examples of when UK laws have been reversed by the EU. Can you explain why each EU country is free to make its own laws?
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #327
Nick said:
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Who can fail to find that hilarious? Time, after time, after time...


...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #328
Sky Blue Kid said:
We can't send murderers back to their own Country for trial. because of a "Breech of their human rights". What about the rights of those they murdered?
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Why not? Wouldn't the country in question just issue a European arrest warrant?
Its not true to say we can't stop convicted criminals entering the country either. The citizenship directive maintains that free movement can be restricted for public policy, public security or public health reasons.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #329
Sick Boy said:
I'm waiting for you to provide specific examples? I've already pointend out that EU countries can make their own laws.
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Do you agree that we have to let anyone to live here from the EU?

Do you agree that we are not allowed to make trade deals with any country outside the EU?

Are you trying to make out that their rules and laws don't supersede ours?

Are you trying to say that there isn't any as everyone else knows the truth. After Internet Points again?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #330
Astute said:
Do you agree that we have to let anyone to live here from the EU?

Do you agree that we are not allowed to make trade deals with any country outside the EU?

Are you trying to make out that their rules and laws don't supersede ours?

Are you trying to say that there isn't any as everyone else knows the truth. After Internet Points again?
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Why are you ignoring the question and responding with your own?

Again, can you please provide examples to back up your previous posts? And can you also explain why EU counties have different laws?
 
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Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #331
Sick Boy said:
Regulating like maternity pay and a set number of holidays per year? You are the expert at ignoring questions.

I'm still waiting for examples of when UK laws have been reversed by the EU. Can you explain why each EU country is free to make its own laws?
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You could very well be looking at one if SISU win the JR in the EU courts. Something that has gone through the UK Legal system 3 times to date.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #332
chiefdave said:
Why not? Wouldn't the country in question just issue a European arrest warrant?
Its not true to say we can't stop convicted criminals entering the country either. The citizenship directive maintains that free movement can be restricted for public policy, public security or public health reasons.
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OMG more twisting of words or the truth.

So if someone commits murder in this country why would another country want them deported? They become our problem whichever country they were born in.

How are we supposed to know which person has committed what crime when there isn't a system through Europe to say who has done what?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #333
Sick Boy said:
Why are you ignoring the question and responding with your own?

Again, can you please provide examples to back up your previous posts? And can you also explain why EU counties have different laws?
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Here's one....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-multinationals-use-EU-courts-claw-taxes.html
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #334
Sick Boy said:
Why are you ignoring the question and responding with your own?

Again, can you please provide examples to back up your previous posts? And can you also explain why EU counties have different laws?
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So the previous post was mine giving the answers you asked for and Torch agrees with you
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #335
Sick Boy said:
The notion that countries in the EU are unable to make their own laws is absurd. Can you explain why it is that law is different in each EU country? Why did you claim earlier that the UK is the only country try in Europe with reliable drinking water?
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That is some claim.... and I don't believe it. I live in Germany and our water is great. Cannot speak for every country though, but there are EU regulations on water quality.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #336
Sick Boy said:
Why are you ignoring the question and responding with your own?

Again, can you please provide examples to back up your previous posts? And can you also explain why EU counties have different laws?
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Make that two....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/64...-European-Court-EU-referendum-Vote-Leave-Gove
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #337
Sick Boy said:
Why are you ignoring the question and responding with your own?
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Astute said:
So the previous post was mine giving the answers you asked for and Torch agrees with you
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So you have given up. Fair enough.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #338
Sky Blue Kid said:
Make that two....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/64...-European-Court-EU-referendum-Vote-Leave-Gove
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....ahhhh the Express...says it all. So far there are 2 examples, 1 from the Mail and 1 from the Express.

Still doesn't explain why each EU country has its own set of rules considering that all EU member states have to abide by EU laws.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #339
Sick Boy said:
Why are you ignoring the question and responding with your own?

Again, can you please provide examples to back up your previous posts? And can you also explain why EU counties have different laws?
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More reasons....

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/briefing_control
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #340
Monners said:
If you work in the environmental sector as I do, then opting out of the EU Directives on air and water qualtiy for example would be a disaster - the UK has done quite well with these issues in the last few years - incredibly important for heatlth and well being, and knock on effects for the NHS and cost of living (we have a cheap and readily available water supply) etc...
Leaving would also erode the rights for equal pay and minimum wage etc..

Staying in offers the opportunity to push fo reforms - which are needed, and not just on immigartion (which is not the key issue - the economy is), but things like agricultural policy - again we want not maintain affrodable food I'm sure.

We would end up competing with Europe in a global market, rather than working with them.
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If we are no longer a part of the EU it would surely just mean we are more able to pick and choose the directives we feel would be most to our advantage? Thats a good thing.

The downside is that the modern politician appears to care more about growing the economy to feed their coffers than they do about the about the general quality of life of people that are a part of that economy.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
 
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armybike

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #341
Sky Blue Kid said:
Make that two....

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/64...-European-Court-EU-referendum-Vote-Leave-Gove
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Using links to the Daily Mail AND Daily Express to try and demonstrate a point.

Oh dear!
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #342
Sky Blue Kid said:
Here's one....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-multinationals-use-EU-courts-claw-taxes.html
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'People will be shocked that big business is taking British taxpayers to court in Europe where unelected judges are overruling the decisions of our parliament on tax rules - costing us all billions. 'That's on top of the £350 million we already hand over to Brussels every single week. We need to Vote Leave to stop this abuse.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-use-EU-courts-claw-taxes.html#ixzz4Av5tkPFA
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

What unelected judges? I thought all judges were unelected. Daily Mail is some shit paper though.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #343
Sky Blue Kid said:
Here's one....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-multinationals-use-EU-courts-claw-taxes.html
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Sick Boy will call it all made up as it is the Mail.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #344
martcov said:
That is some claim.... and I don't believe it. I live in Germany and our water is great. Cannot speak for every country though, but there are EU regulations on water quality.
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It's a lie and one that 'Astute' had chosen to ignore as he can't back it up.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #345
armybike said:
Using links to the Daily Mail AND Daily Express to try and demonstrate a point.

Oh dear!
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Can we have a list of what proof isn't allowed? What a joke. They show how bad things have become.
 
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armybike

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #346
Astute said:
Can we have a list of what proof isn't allowed? What a joke. They show how bad things have become.
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Sure -

The Daily Mail
The Daily Express
Oh and any website that makes spurious statements under the banner 'FACT!'
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #347
Astute said:
Can we have a list of what proof isn't allowed? What a joke. They show how bad things have become.
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Why do EU countries have different laws considering that you claim they are unable to make their own laws and must abide by laws made up by the EU?
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #348
SkyblueBazza said:
If we are no longer a part of the EU it would surely just mean we are more able to pick and choose the directives we feel would be most to our advantage? Thats a good thing.

The downside is that the modern politician appears to care more about growing the economy to feed their coffers than they do about the about the general quality of life of people that are a part of that economy.

...onwards & upwards PUSB
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If we pick and choose what to follow and what not to follow, then we will not necessarily be better off. It depends who you mean as 'we' e.g. a labour government, a tory government or UKIP. We shouldn't kid ourselves that Britain alone would be paradise. There is so much nostalgia here. Things were not better than now 50 years ago. We were certainly not as wealthy or healthy ( we live longer ). The gap between rich and poor may be greater, but that would be with or without the EU, as seen elsewhere.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #349
Astute said:
Can we have a list of what proof isn't allowed? What a joke. They show how bad things have become.
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I'm surprised you didn't say something earlier when a poster dismissed the Guardian as it is 'pro EU'. Maybe you missed it?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 7, 2016
  • #350
Sick Boy said:
It's a lie and one that 'Astute' had chosen to ignore as he can't back it up.
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I asked how many countries have the water quality good enough to drink. How about making a proper comment about the papers showing how bad the EU laws are for us?

You can't cover up for it with bullshit can you?
 
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