Ian1779
Well-Known Member
They didn’t politicise it at all. It was politicised the day she called the election in 2017. She called what she thought would be a ‘Brexit’ election and she fucked it up.
I’m aware of the numbers but my point remains the same. As we all know brexit appears not to be party based.
I agree that the Tories and in particular the ERG have to shoulder a fair bit of the blame but at least the ERG were sticking to their (bizarre) ideological principles on the subject. Labour/Corbyn politicised it....you don’t have to take my word for it, check the polls !
I’m aware of the numbers but my point remains the same. As we all know brexit appears not to be party based.
I agree that the Tories and in particular the ERG have to shoulder a fair bit of the blame but at least the ERG were sticking to their (bizarre) ideological principles on the subject. Labour/Corbyn politicised it....you don’t have to take my word for it, check the polls !
That is all you see too. Boris conspiring to thwart parliament's efforts to thwart his approach to Brexit.
And that was my earlier point - as long as it is Tory bashing it is alright.
An approach that is really good for the UK that!
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Oh god...not the polls again
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You mean more polls which directly contradict your point?
Election time?
Referendum time?
Come on Ian of course they did. May called the election as she knew due to the divisions in the party inn brexit she needed a stronger majority (that worked out well didn’t it !!!)They didn’t politicise it at all. It was politicised the day she called the election in 2017. She called what she thought would be a ‘Brexit’ election and she fucked it up.
A lot of the ERG voted for it the third time of asking so they wasn’t sticking to it that much.
Enough didn’t and nor did the DUP. Yet only a handful of labour voted even though many represented leave constituencies ?!!!
May tried to deliver a fair (if imperfect) compromise. Labour wanted a GE.
Come on Ian of course they did. May called the election as she knew due to the divisions in the party inn brexit she needed a stronger majority (that worked out well didn’t it !!!)
But don’t be so blinkered to not accept what Corbyn/Labour have done since
I don’t know what’s with the “?!!!” but many of the ERG also represent disaster capitalist err... ... I mean leave constituencies?!!! I’m not sure what you think their principal was but it sounds like it’s the same as Labour’s. A change in government even if it means bringing down the Tory party, which of course should be Labour’s job?!!!
Referendum time?
Well again this is fantasy - if you can get some agreement on the question so be it. In the end though there will be an election and the Tory party can put in its manifesto to still withdraw from Europe and do it if it wins power
Well again the question would be 'Leave with no agreement or revoke Article 50' since that would be a literal description of the options and again I don't remember saying I expected enough Tories to realise this is how to save their arses while claiming some 'will of the people'. If all the charlatans on the right are so convinced no deal is marvellous they should welcome the idea to convince everyone of its merit. Maybe you and Bazza could pull the first pint for Farage at the opening rally?
I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies
This is the bridge that a number of experts say can’t be built?Well again the question would be 'Leave with no agreement or revoke Article 50' since that would be a literal description of the options and again I don't remember saying I expected enough Tories to realise this is how to save their arses while claiming some 'will of the people'. If all the charlatans on the right are so convinced no deal is marvellous they should welcome the idea to convince everyone of its merit. Maybe you and Bazza could pull the first pint for Farage at the opening rally?
I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies
I meant that whilst everyone can point the finger at ERG (me being one), those labour MPs representing strong leave constituencies will also (rightly) shoulder some of the blame if Brexit doesn’t take place or if No Deal happens (unlikely now)
They had the chance to vote through something that would’ve avoided both of the above. They chose not to for their own reasons (labour whipped hoping for a GE).
Let’s see how it pans out
You do realise the Labour Party would not vote for this question?
This is the bridge that a number of experts say can’t be built?
You do realise I'm not in favour of everything Labour does and for the umpteenth time don't expect another vote to become reality?
I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies
Which party would vote for it
for the umpteenth time don't expect another vote to become reality?
Stranraer is a bit awkward isn't it for a bridge. For a tunnel maybe but not a bridge.
Always reminds of my nan because she's talk about getting the ferry to Stranraer in her broad N.Irish accent.
Best sentence ever in N.Irish accent is "Finaghy to Stranraer to buy the Mirror"
That sounds like a nightmare train journey.
The other place she used to mention a lot I liked was Newtownards
End of the Tories? This debacle has made the Tories stronger. And the rich, those who aspire to be rich and even those better off will always vote Tory.My point is that it was already political. Brexit has always been about addressing political differences that couldn’t be resolved without loosening a grip on power.
However when it came to it, the public didn’t give a shit about political manoeuvring - instead they gave a big ‘fuck you’ to the political establishment itself.
I should be pleased really - this is the end of the Tories.
And the rich, those who are dumbasses believing the Mail and the Sun and even those more well off dumbasses reading the Telegraph will always vote Tory.
Well you sit tight, another poll showing a different result will be along shortly...& I will probably ignore that one tooYou mean more polls which directly contradict your point?
Well again the question would be 'Leave with no agreement or revoke Article 50' since that would be a literal description of the options and again I don't remember saying I expected enough Tories to realise this is how to save their arses while claiming some 'will of the people'. If all the charlatans on the right are so convinced no deal is marvellous they should welcome the idea to convince everyone of its merit. Maybe you and Bazza could pull the first pint for Farage at the opening rally?
I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies
Maybe, but remember experts once said the earth is flat, the sun went around the earth, man could not fly...the list is endlessThis is the bridge that a number of experts say can’t be built?
Maybe, but remember experts once said the earth is flat, the sun went around the earth, man could not fly...the list is endless
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Maybe, but remember experts once said the earth is flat, the sun went around the earth, man could not fly...the list is endless
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So where did I say that?
Making things up again?
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