Jeremy corbyn

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  1. Evo1883

    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    So I've just took the time out to listen to his speech at corby.. So what he says sound all very nice, but here's the problem.

    How will he pay for it all

    1.No tuition fees
    2.community youth projects
    3.nationalise rail, mail etc
    4.completely turn around the NHS
    5.national minimum wage of 10 pound

    Let's be logicical here, this seems absolutely impossible to achieve, there was actually more but he offered so much it just seems like a front to simply get elected.

    It doesn't seem achievable at all, and I can't be the only one thinking it
     
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    Fully costed innit.

    Just like the 2017 manifesto.
     
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    Oh dear is Mr Corbyn still taking a taxi to go and see the Queen
     
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    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    Haha

    I just thought I'd give him a few minutes of my time but after listening it appears total fantasy.
    It all sounds lovely, but not practical in the slightest.

    And yes they are discussing the no confidence vote now
     
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    clint van damme Well-Known Member

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    yet Boris is throwing money round like confetti and promising infrastructure improvements which experts are saying are undeliverable in the given time frame and no one bats an eyelid.
     
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    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    Ok but if he stops a no deal brexit, we would be sending money to the EU.
    But seriously

    I simply don't understand how he thinks it can all be achieved
     
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    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    Forget about Boris and the tories, I'm asking about how Labour will fund the fantastic changes they want me to vote for.

    How will he attract the business by raising corporate tax and taxing multinational companies to the hilt to fund his 10 pound minimum wage... For example
     
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    It comes to something that even with a majority of only 1 and a handful of tories likely to abstain old Gezza will not be able to topple Mr Johnson

    He even wants to seduce Nicola Sturgeon - he the least popular opposition leader in history and his party are polling lower and lower

    Corbyn is like a fading actor. He had one good film and panto is beckoning
     
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    There’s always plenty of money to blow people up, bribe minority parties to hold together governments, and an extortionate amount to prepare for a no-deal disaster because they’ve just pissed around for 3 years.

    But you get yourself worked up about spending some good money.
     
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    Although in principal I agree with point 5 it won't be much good when thousands lose their job or have their hours cut because of it.
     
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    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not getting worked up, why are you all being so defensive, I am interested in his policies, I am asking how they will be paid for, it doesn't seem achievable.... That's all
     
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    To be fair Mr Corbyn knows a thing or two about blowing people up
     
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    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    Will definitely happen
     
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    At least you’ll have the pleasure of finally finding that thing in common.
     
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    forget about the PM and the sitting government, fucking hell!
    Every other country in the top 10 world economies has a higher corporate tax rate than the UK, some considerably.
    There's more to attracting investment than just lowering corporate tax.
    I personally think up skilling the work force should be our priority.
     
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    No tuition fees also a cynical gimmick to bribe the youth which offers no benefit to the majority
     
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    Ian1779 Well-Known Member

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    Better costed than the Tory one

    Also, the one cost you did release - someone decided you can feed all primary school children on 5.7p each.
     
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    Couple of figures

    107 billion (upper end) to nationalise water
    11 billion a year tuition fees
    4 billion to nationalise mail
    100 billion (upper end) to nationalise energy

    That 232 billion, and we still have rail, with over 18 franchises
     
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    Have you forgotten - the Tories don’t have to justify how they spend or cost anything, only Labour.
     
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    HS2 and Trident would cover that nicely.
     
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    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    It's quite simple what I'm asking, I'm asking about labour and their intentions, I already know what the tories offer...

    So the questions just need answering
     
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    Scrapping both I'd assume
     
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    You don’t know what the Tories offer, because they don’t offer anything. They are that arrogant and complacent that they are now targeting their core vote through social care, dementia tax and now raising the pension age.
     
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    Why not - we won’t need them in our post Brexit Utopia.
     
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    Evo1883 Well-Known Member

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    I can see a real civil discussion is progressing here.

    The question was very simple, a question that will be asked of corbyn come debates anyway.. Yet for some reason you want to talk about the tories, but I don't

    I want to talk about labour's policies and how they will be funded, that's it
     
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    rail won't cost to renationalise if the franchises expire.
    Utilities is the big one. As I've said on here numerous times the big problem with renationalising is making sure these companies are successful going forward.
    Again, as I've said on here before, we have nationalised foreign utilities companies who have invested their profits in our utilities companies and are taking money out of them in the form of dividends, yet apparently nationalisation doesn't work, well it does for them!
    I wouldn't renationalise anything for the sake of it but anything that's failing I would. We actually do that now and bail out failing franchises yet if they're successful they keep the profits so basically privatised the profits but nationalised the looses so the UK tax payer pays, great for the tories and their mates, not so good for the working man.
     
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    It’s always a deflection - what do the tories offer
     
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    surely it's the other way round, the tories are in government and currently holding the purse strings. Given the new PM is also a bigger serial liar than the last one I wouldn't call it deflection at all.
    His first speech promised the moon on a stick, surely whether that is delivered is more relevant?
     
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    What does the government pay out in benefits to those that are in low paid work? £10 an hour eliminates that while generating additional tax for the treasury.

    Tesco's profits went up 27% to £2.08m last year. They can afford to pay their employees a proper wage not subsidised by the taxpayer and put more back into the public purse through corporation tax. If they don't want to then someone else will take their place.
     
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    Would be nice if companies thought that way but they don't
     
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    With respect, you have already declared that Corbyn can’t pay for everything - didn’t exactly open the discussion civilly with that declaration.

    I think that most of what he has suggested can be funded, simply by not wasting money in the way we do currently. HS2 is a clear example of this. Even Uni funding can pay itself back over time through tax contributions. It’s about having a long term plan.
     
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    Which is why we have to legislate to force them into doing the right thing.
     
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    They answer to shareholders so increasing a minimum wage will result in greater efficiency drives and job losses
     
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    I merely stated it seems unachievable or impossible... That's it. Thanks for the feedback.
     

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