Israel - Palestinian Conflict (4 Viewers)

SBAndy · Oct 20, 2025

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I appreciate the response and nature of it, but unfortunately most of the people talking about it, and what their angle is has become increasingly tiresome. We've had people ignoring facts and then recycling the same shit.

I don't have any issue with the Maccabi fans being banned particularly, they have a lot of scumbags and my point on this isn't that I would want to be anywhere near them either, but the overlook of the fact this decision certainly has something to do with the demographics of Birmingham and the fact they're just as much likely to kick off is considerably blinkered.

That last bit, regrettably, I think is a given which is why you’re not seeing conversation on it. Clearly that’s not right but, put simply, the SAG and WMP (rightly, in my view) don’t think they can guarantee safety in either direction. Not being able to is different from not wanting to - this is why politicians should stay well away from operational decisions. If the ban is reversed and it all goes tits up then you can bet your arse that WMP are getting thrown under the bus.

Now, it’s well documented that you have an issue with Islam. The fact you labour that they are “intolerant to other religions” when you’ve got the Maccabi fans on video chanting “death to Arabs” smacks slightly of your biases leading you to conclusions.

PVA · Oct 20, 2025

SBAndy said:
That last bit, regrettably, I think is a given which is why you’re not seeing conversation on it. Clearly that’s not right but, put simply, the SAG and WMP (rightly, in my view) don’t think they can guarantee safety in either direction. Not being able to is different from not wanting to - this is why politicians should stay well away from operational decisions. If the ban is reversed and it all goes tits up then you can bet your arse that WMP are getting thrown under the bus.

100% this.

The SAG and police have to be confident they can guarantee everyone's safety. That's Villa fans, Maccabi fans, stewards, local residents, protestors.

And of course the police themselves. The police are people too.

Not to mention all this costs lots of money.

Is it all worth it for a football match? Not really in my opinion.

And I agree, if it gets overturned now and kicks off (and it almost certainly will), it's going to be incredibly fucking messy with lots of mud slinging from all sides about who is to blame.

The decision has been made and whether it was the right decision or not, they should stick with it.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 20, 2025

SBAndy said:
That last bit, regrettably, I think is a given which is why you’re not seeing conversation on it. Clearly that’s not right but, put simply, the SAG and WMP (rightly, in my view) don’t think they can guarantee safety in either direction. Not being able to is different from not wanting to - this is why politicians should stay well away from operational decisions. If the ban is reversed and it all goes tits up then you can bet your arse that WMP are getting thrown under the bus.

Now, it’s well documented that you have an issue with Islam. The fact you labour that they are “intolerant to other religions” when you’ve got the Maccabi fans on video chanting “death to Arabs” smacks slightly of your biases leading you to conclusions.

No, we are not seeing conversation on it because whenever Islam involved people like yourself are far too nervous to criticise it. It's hardly laboured to suggest they're an intolerant faith either, nor is it that this decision isn't largely in part to do with it.

I don't really have any bias on this. I've said several times over the Maccabi fans contain a lot of twats who I would rather stay the fuck away, but it is a cowardly position to take when you only cover that and ignore the other side of it.

chiefdave · Oct 20, 2025

You couldn't make this shit up. Maccabi Tel Aviv have now said even if the government overturns the police decision they will reject tickets.

wingy · Oct 20, 2025

chiefdave said:
You couldn't make this shit up. Maccabi Tel Aviv have now said even if the government overturns the police decision they will reject tickets.

While they investigate the events of yesterday Which were not down to them apparently.

dadgad · Oct 20, 2025

This is just tip of the iceberg stuff but could account for the knee jerk reaction by our corrupted govt to the banning of Maccabi fans.
Then the Tel Aviv fuzz appear to back the decision of their comrades in Brum.
https://www.facebook.com/

David O'Day · Oct 20, 2025

chiefdave said:
You couldn't make this shit up. Maccabi Tel Aviv have now said even if the government overturns the police decision they will reject tickets.

Because their fans will kick off with the worlds eyes on them.

ccfcchris · Oct 21, 2025

How Israel and Palestine Became Enemies | Flashback with Palki Sharma

chiefdave · Oct 21, 2025

ccfcchris said:
How Israel and Palestine Became Enemies | Flashback with Palki Sharma

Will give that a watch. There's a movie coming out about the 1936 Palestinian revolt against British rule

Otis · Oct 21, 2025

Yeah, if we start losing badly tonight, I might give both of them a watch.

Hopefully, they will be on the back burner until tomorrow

fernandopartridge · Oct 21, 2025

I mean who voted for these

Otis · Oct 21, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
I mean who voted for these

And to think I used to quite like her.

She misses the point entirely

wingy · Oct 21, 2025

Otis said:
And to think I used to quite like her.

She misses the point entirely

Trouble is they're not free to protest at all are they?

SBT · Oct 22, 2025

Not that I agree with every word of it, but think Jonathan Liew’s column on the Villa game is the best piece I’ve seen on the matter so far

Standing with Maccabi’s football hooligans against local police – is that what patriotism looks like now? | Jonathan Liew

Tommy Robinson is said to be going to Villa Park as a Maccabi Tel Aviv fan. Do the politicians jumping on this bandwagon care what they are doing, asks Guardian columnist Jonathan Liew

www.theguardian.com

lordsummerisle · Oct 22, 2025

SBT said:
Not that I agree with every word of it, but think Jonathan Liew’s column on the Villa game is the best piece I’ve seen on the matter so far

Standing with Maccabi’s football hooligans against local police – is that what patriotism looks like now? | Jonathan Liew

Tommy Robinson is said to be going to Villa Park as a Maccabi Tel Aviv fan. Do the politicians jumping on this bandwagon care what they are doing, asks Guardian columnist Jonathan Liew

www.theguardian.com

Much better than the one by Barney Ronay last week for sure.

chiefdave · Oct 22, 2025

lordsummerisle said:
Much better than the one by Barney Ronay last week for sure.

They have another article which gives details of what actually happened and the intelligence used to reach the initial decision. In shocking news it turns out the intelligence was that their fans were likely to cause significant trouble and that's what led to the decision.

Intelligence on ‘extreme’ Maccabi fans with history of violence led to Villa Park ban

Exclusive: West Midlands police were told supporters randomly attacked Muslims in Amsterdam last year

www.theguardian.com

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 22, 2025

chiefdave said:
They have another article which gives details of what actually happened and the intelligence used to reach the initial decision. In shocking news it turns out the intelligence was that their fans were likely to cause significant trouble and that's what led to the decision.

Intelligence on ‘extreme’ Maccabi fans with history of violence led to Villa Park ban

Exclusive: West Midlands police were told supporters randomly attacked Muslims in Amsterdam last year

www.theguardian.com

Why do you keep doing this?

It has been presented to you several times, yet you still only talk about the Maccabi fans and post infactual articles that do not cover the whole story.

The other article presented is a bit more balanced at least.

SkyBlueDom26 · Oct 22, 2025

mmttww said:
I've replied to what you've said. I've kept it respectful. I'd appreciate it if you'd try and do the same.

crybaby, @Earlsdon_Skyblue1 he’ll be private messaging you soon apologising for pointing out he’s anti semitic

Sky Blue Pete · Oct 23, 2025

I know some of you dislike Rory and Alastair but Tom is a good man

wingy · Oct 23, 2025

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Why do you keep doing this?

It has been presented to you several times, yet you still only talk about the Maccabi fans and post infactual articles that do not cover the whole story.

The other article presented is a bit more balanced at least.

It's called freedom mate!

SBT · Oct 23, 2025

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It has been presented to you several times, yet you still only talk about the Maccabi fans and post infactual articles that do not cover the whole story.

What’s infactual about that article? Have you seen the police intelligence that it’s citing?

Otis · Oct 23, 2025

That's mad that 50% of Americans say it's a genocide, but only 3% of Congress.

wingy · Oct 23, 2025

Otis said:
That's mad that 50% of Americans say it's a genocide, but only 3% of Congress.

Must be similar here mustn't it?

Otis · Oct 23, 2025

wingy said:
Must be similar here mustn't it?

I would expect it to be a little more in parliament here, but still be a great imbalance.

Captain Dart · Oct 26, 2025

Meanwhile back home.

"As an NHS worker you are free to travel to Israel, serve in the IDF, take part in the brutal massacre of Palestinians, and return to work in the UK with no questions.

Many patients (including myself) would not feel safe to be treated by someone who has injured or killed innocents in the service of an apartheid
racist state.

But if you are a doctor working in the NHS, have never committed an act of violence at home or abroad, but VERBALLY object to Israel’s genocide and occupation, your job and reputation will be targeted relentlessly Israel’s defenders. Including extreme pressure being put on your profession’s regulator - the General Medical Council (GMC) to change the outcome when their gaslighting has failed.

@doctor_rahmeh was exonerated as an excellent doctor who posed no threat to patients but Israel’s defenders could not accept the evidence-based outcome and have sought to exert their considerable political leverage on the @gmcuk to change their decision.

Including involving the Health Minister Wes Streeting who has taken TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS from donors who back Israel bit.ly/43qX4D4

The capture or bullying of virtually all British institutions by zionists is revealed on almost daily basis now."

Salma Yaqoob

"I'm effectively on a form of house arrest. My bail conditions for lawful speech (a July talk and 3 X posts):

1. Banned from any public demonstration or event in London relating to Palestine or 'israel'.
2. Curfewed to live and sleep at a specified address.
3. Must notify a detective if I leave home for more than 48 hours.

Yesterday, the chair of the tribunal cut me off from reading out one sentence. The GMC had also specifically requested that I am not to speak.

This is what the political persecution of a doctor looks like in Britain today."

Dr Rahmeh Aladwan

wingy · Oct 26, 2025

Captain Dart said:
Meanwhile back home.

I think there's a female also under pressure from the regime if I'm not mistaken!

dadgad · Oct 26, 2025

Captain Dart said:
Meanwhile back home.

The UK’s double standards and moral collapse are too stark. Complicity in a genocide -? No govt can survive that.

Otis · Oct 28, 2025

Fingers crossed this isn't the start of a breakdown in the fragile ceasefire.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 28, 2025

Otis said:
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Fingers crossed this isn't the start of a breakdown in the fragile ceasefire.

Judging by your comments earlier, I presume if it is, then it's on Trump?

Otis · Oct 28, 2025

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Judging by your comments earlier, I presume if it is, then it's on Trump?

What a weird take.

I said I would congratulate Trump on the conflict if he has indeed been able to end the war .

He hasn't yet. As commentators have been saying, this has just been phase one

ccfc1292 · Oct 28, 2025

Otis said:
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Fingers crossed this isn't the start of a breakdown in the fragile ceasefire.

Think that may just break a Ceasefire tbf.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 28, 2025

Otis said:
What a weird take.

I said I would congratulate Trump on the conflict if he has indeed been able to end the war .

He hasn't yet. As commentators have been saying, this has just been phase one

Give it up. Your posting history on this matter is very transparent I'm afraid.

Otis · Oct 28, 2025

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Give it up. Your posting history on this matter is very transparent I'm afraid.

You be afraid all you want. You are wrong.

I always give credit where credit is due.

Let's just hope this is a break in the ceasefire and not something that leads into an escalation.

Sick Boy · Oct 28, 2025

Wow....what a shock. Israel never had any intention of keeping to the ceasefire.

Otis · Oct 28, 2025

Sick Boy said:
Wow....what a shock. Israel never had any intention of keeping to the ceasefire.

Unfortunately, that's how it's always appeared to me.

Be very happy to be proved wrong.

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