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SBAndy

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I appreciate the response and nature of it, but unfortunately most of the people talking about it, and what their angle is has become increasingly tiresome. We've had people ignoring facts and then recycling the same shit.

I don't have any issue with the Maccabi fans being banned particularly, they have a lot of scumbags and my point on this isn't that I would want to be anywhere near them either, but the overlook of the fact this decision certainly has something to do with the demographics of Birmingham and the fact they're just as much likely to kick off is considerably blinkered.

That last bit, regrettably, I think is a given which is why you’re not seeing conversation on it. Clearly that’s not right but, put simply, the SAG and WMP (rightly, in my view) don’t think they can guarantee safety in either direction. Not being able to is different from not wanting to - this is why politicians should stay well away from operational decisions. If the ban is reversed and it all goes tits up then you can bet your arse that WMP are getting thrown under the bus.

Now, it’s well documented that you have an issue with Islam. The fact you labour that they are “intolerant to other religions” when you’ve got the Maccabi fans on video chanting “death to Arabs” smacks slightly of your biases leading you to conclusions.
 

PVA

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That last bit, regrettably, I think is a given which is why you’re not seeing conversation on it. Clearly that’s not right but, put simply, the SAG and WMP (rightly, in my view) don’t think they can guarantee safety in either direction. Not being able to is different from not wanting to - this is why politicians should stay well away from operational decisions. If the ban is reversed and it all goes tits up then you can bet your arse that WMP are getting thrown under the bus.

100% this.

The SAG and police have to be confident they can guarantee everyone's safety. That's Villa fans, Maccabi fans, stewards, local residents, protestors.

And of course the police themselves. The police are people too.

Not to mention all this costs lots of money.

Is it all worth it for a football match? Not really in my opinion.

And I agree, if it gets overturned now and kicks off (and it almost certainly will), it's going to be incredibly fucking messy with lots of mud slinging from all sides about who is to blame.

The decision has been made and whether it was the right decision or not, they should stick with it.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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That last bit, regrettably, I think is a given which is why you’re not seeing conversation on it. Clearly that’s not right but, put simply, the SAG and WMP (rightly, in my view) don’t think they can guarantee safety in either direction. Not being able to is different from not wanting to - this is why politicians should stay well away from operational decisions. If the ban is reversed and it all goes tits up then you can bet your arse that WMP are getting thrown under the bus.

Now, it’s well documented that you have an issue with Islam. The fact you labour that they are “intolerant to other religions” when you’ve got the Maccabi fans on video chanting “death to Arabs” smacks slightly of your biases leading you to conclusions.

No, we are not seeing conversation on it because whenever Islam involved people like yourself are far too nervous to criticise it. It's hardly laboured to suggest they're an intolerant faith either, nor is it that this decision isn't largely in part to do with it.

I don't really have any bias on this. I've said several times over the Maccabi fans contain a lot of twats who I would rather stay the fuck away, but it is a cowardly position to take when you only cover that and ignore the other side of it.
 

dadgad

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This is just tip of the iceberg stuff but could account for the knee jerk reaction by our corrupted govt to the banning of Maccabi fans.
Then the Tel Aviv fuzz appear to back the decision of their comrades in Brum.
 

SBT

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lordsummerisle

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Not that I agree with every word of it, but think Jonathan Liew’s column on the Villa game is the best piece I’ve seen on the matter so far


Much better than the one by Barney Ronay last week for sure.
 

chiefdave

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Much better than the one by Barney Ronay last week for sure.
They have another article which gives details of what actually happened and the intelligence used to reach the initial decision. In shocking news it turns out the intelligence was that their fans were likely to cause significant trouble and that's what led to the decision.

 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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They have another article which gives details of what actually happened and the intelligence used to reach the initial decision. In shocking news it turns out the intelligence was that their fans were likely to cause significant trouble and that's what led to the decision.


Why do you keep doing this?

It has been presented to you several times, yet you still only talk about the Maccabi fans and post infactual articles that do not cover the whole story.

The other article presented is a bit more balanced at least.
 

Captain Dart

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Meanwhile back home. 🤔
"As an NHS worker you are free to travel to Israel, serve in the IDF, take part in the brutal massacre of Palestinians, and return to work in the UK with no questions.

Many patients (including myself) would not feel safe to be treated by someone who has injured or killed innocents in the service of an apartheid
racist state.

But if you are a doctor working in the NHS, have never committed an act of violence at home or abroad, but VERBALLY object to Israel’s genocide and occupation, your job and reputation will be targeted relentlessly Israel’s defenders. Including extreme pressure being put on your profession’s regulator - the General Medical Council (GMC) to change the outcome when their gaslighting has failed.

@doctor_rahmeh was exonerated as an excellent doctor who posed no threat to patients but Israel’s defenders could not accept the evidence-based outcome and have sought to exert their considerable political leverage on the @gmcuk to change their decision.

Including involving the Health Minister Wes Streeting who has taken TENS OF THOUSANDS OF POUNDS from donors who back Israel bit.ly/43qX4D4

The capture or bullying of virtually all British institutions by zionists is revealed on almost daily basis now."

Salma Yaqoob

"I'm effectively on a form of house arrest. My bail conditions for lawful speech (a July talk and 3 X posts):

1. Banned from any public demonstration or event in London relating to Palestine or 'israel'.
2. Curfewed to live and sleep at a specified address.
3. Must notify a detective if I leave home for more than 48 hours.

Yesterday, the chair of the tribunal cut me off from reading out one sentence. The GMC had also specifically requested that I am not to speak.

This is what the political persecution of a doctor looks like in Britain today."

Dr Rahmeh Aladwan
 

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