Immigration and Asylum (2 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Why Britain can't just return migrants to France, as Reform says

Reform UK appears to be wrong to claim Britain can legally turn small boats back in the Channel.

www.bbc.co.uk

Well he could do that if he wants.

 

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[Ccfcisparks]

Well he could do that if he wants.

The navy is the pride of our army. We should be deploying them.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It is happening on practically a daily basis. You could post articles in these threads most days if you really felt like it, that's how bad it has got. I think part of the problem is also that the general public are being treated like idiots. Look at Southport, Manchester Arena, Nottingham stabbings. Each one could have been prevented if various people had not been worried, or directly accused of, being racist.

It doesn't take a genius to put two and two together and see that certain demographics are massively overrepresented in statistics involving serious crime, particularly rape and sexual assault. Yet, there are some, and you see it on this forum, who say little about these crimes, but go mental when someone points this out, or speculates that the perpetrator may be of a certain background.

It is twisted to me that some, including seemingly the police forces, proudly cannot wait to tell us someone was 'White British', but cowardly say nothing when it isn't. The UK (for the time being, although this is changing) is still majority White British, so of course we should not be surprised if someone from this background commits a crime as this makes up the majority of residents in the country. Pretending not to understand per-capita, backgrounds, or religion has held us back for too long. Frankly, we have got past the point of trying to argue with people that cannot critically think. Actions needs to be taken as this situation is getting worse.

What actions are you thinking?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You're wasting your time. He simply wants to argue to try and trip you up and shout racist. It's not even a surprise any longer. Not a single coherent point made.

That’s unfair

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

How do you stop boats arriving? Other than blowing them out of the water which I'm sure you're not advocating.

And what are the criteria for mass deportations?

Yes, there needs to be some hard conversations on these topics, but we need to be prepared to take a hard line on both. This is also why I mentioned in my comments that there needs to be change in laws and processes. We are simply far too soft. I am sure a lot of them would think twice about coming if they were thrown in jail, and then deported within a week, for example.

All criminals have to go and this should be non-negotiable. There are reports hundreds of thousands, pushing millions, are here not contributing to society or the economy. We have to be prepared to kick a lot of them out as well. The salaries in the UK are derisory, and then you are taxed to oblivion whilst so many others are sponging and also taking up public services. It is no longer sustainable. I would reform the whole benifits system regardless, but that is a slightly different subject.

As I mentioned before, genuine asylum claims need to be fast-tracked so those people can be supported and contribute as well. Zero tolerance on anyone taking the piss, though.

 

[DT-R]

How do you stop boats arriving? Other than blowing them out of the water which I'm sure you're not advocating.

And what are the criteria for mass deportations?

Stop the boats with better deterrents. Harsher punishments for the smugglers, immediate deportation of anyone entering via the illegal boat/lorry route. It wont take people long to stop paying smugglers to come here if the end journey is immediately on a freight plane back to whence you came. Especially if it means you will now never get the chance to ever apply to return through legal channels. If you come here on a boat and/or throw away your passport/paperwork to hide your identity, you leave with immediate effect and are placed on a never to enter again watch list.

Criteria for mass deportation is anyone who entered illegally, and/or without documentation. If you came to England on a dinghy from France, you are here illegally, and have waived your human rights and will be deported and never allowed to return. Simple as that!

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Stop the boats with better deterrents. Harsher punishments for the smugglers, immediate deportation of anyone entering via the illegal boat/lorry route. It wont take people long to stop paying smugglers to come here if the end journey is immediately on a freight plane back to whence you came. Especially if it means you will now never get the chance to ever apply to return through legal channels. If you come here on a boat and/or throw away your passport/paperwork to hide your identity, you leave with immediate effect and are placed on a never to enter again watch list.

Criteria for mass deportation is anyone who entered illegally, and/or without documentation. If you came to England on a dinghy from France, you are here illegally, and have waived your human rights and will be deported and never allowed to return. Simple as that!

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It’s not illegal

 

[DT-R]

It’s not illegal

Getting on an illegal boat (usually by way of smuggling drugs around Europe for the seat) then destroying your passport and entering the county without permission isnt illegal? Ok!

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[PVA]

Unlucky lads

Not like the right to jump to conclusions before all the information is out.

https://news.sky.com/story/no-evidence-found-over-alleged-rape-which-sparked-asylum-seeker-protests-in-epsom-police-say-13533040

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

Unlucky lads

Not like the right to jump to conclusions before all the information is out.

https://news.sky.com/story/no-evidence-found-over-alleged-rape-which-sparked-asylum-seeker-protests-in-epsom-police-say-13533040

If you had any intelligence or common sense, you would understand the statistics on things like gang rape, and come to a reasonable conclusion that the chances of this being migrants is high. Particularly given that the location was quite close to one of the hotels.

The only reason people have jumped on this is because the police said nothing. Again, understand patterns is not a strong point of yourself or many on left on this topic, so you probably haven't realised this usually happens when they want to suppress the identity of the perpetrators. When they're white British they normally get overexcited and cannot wait to cowardly announce it, a bit like how you have here.

If this turns out to be Gary and his mates, which is not impossible, but unlikely, it still doesn't change what is happening on a widespread scale to women across the west. This is thanks to people like yourself who think it is a good idea to import millions of people who's values don't belong here.

 

[PVA]

If you had any intelligence or common sense, you would understand the statistics on things like gang rape, and come to a reasonable conclusion that the chances of this being migrants is high. Particularly given that the location was quite close to one of the hotels.

The only reason people have jumped on this is because the police said nothing. Again, understand patterns is not a strong point of yourself or many on left on this topic, so you probably haven't realised this usually happens when they want to suppress the identity of the perpetrators. When they're white British they normally get overexcited and cannot wait to cowardly announce it, a bit like how you have here.

If this turns out to be Gary and his mates, which is not impossible, but unlikely, it still doesn't change what is happening on a widespread scale to women across the west. This is thanks to people like yourself who think it is a good idea to import millions of people who's values don't belong here.

You've just perfectly illustrated my point, thank you.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

This is exactly the problem right here. The fact you can't see it says it all really.

You've just perfectly illustrated my point, thank you.

You got upset the other day because it was suggested someones rapists were migrants in a place where 91% of convictions for gang rape were from a foreign background.

I think you are beyond help. These responses are delusional.

 

[PVA]

You got upset the other day because it was suggested someones rapists were migrants in a place where 91% of convictions for gang rape were from a foreign background.

I think you are beyond help. These responses are delusional.

I don't remember getting upset about that, do you have a link?

You just admitted that your first thought about a crime is that it must be a brown person. That's a pretty awful place to be, I don't think you're in any position to be judging other people when that's your default thought process.

 

[chiefdave]

UK and France strike new £662m small boats deal

The three-year agreement will see at least 50 riot-trained police officers drafted in to tackle violence and “hostile crowds”.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Captain Dart]

UK and France strike new £662m small boats deal

The three-year agreement will see at least 50 riot-trained police officers drafted in to tackle violence and “hostile crowds”.

www.bbc.co.uk

I think over paying a 3rd party to perform a service inadequately is entirely symptomatic of this Government.
At least the article indicates a move toward payment by results.

 

[Nick]

 

[DT-R]

Live footage of how fans in singers corner got blue flares in to the ground for the Pompey game on Tuesday night

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