Immigration and Asylum (8 Viewers)

[Nick]

Grok suggests this is a lebonese interview from 2024 .. how much of this is happening in the uk and how much of it are we allowing in ..

The main issue , as with many things for me is the cultural differences , its wrong.

No point beimg angry with people who dont wnat this kind of behaviour here , the behaviour is far more disgusting than anything i can say

It's horrible, people are too busy trying to be politically correct to realise if you let blokes in, unvetted who have been brought up in this culture then it is going to cause issues.

Thing is then when trying to be too PC, you can't back every cause. See LGBT for Palestine.

As a test, somebody should go to Turkey with a blonde wife or daughter etc and see what happens... It is fucking relentless.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

It's horrible, people are too busy trying to be politically correct to realise if you let blokes in, unvetted who have been brought up in this culture then it is going to cause issues.

Thing is then when trying to be too PC, you can't back every cause. See LGBT for Palestine.

Just as nobody on here believes in open borders, nobody has argued for letting people in ‘unvetted’.

 

[Nick]

Just as nobody on here believes in open borders, nobody has argued for letting people in ‘unvetted’.

Could have fooled me, the usual trick is to blur things by jumping straight to doctors and the NHS etc if people point issues with this particular kind of immigration.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Could have fooled me, the usual trick is to blur things by jumping straight to doctors and the NHS etc if people point issues with this particular kind of immigration.

It’s also been pointed out to you that some on here don’t even want doctors to come here if they want their families too.

 

[Grendel]

It’s also been pointed out to you that some on here don’t even want doctors to come here if they want their families too.

I did ask you would the countries you are considering moving to allow parents in as part of your Visa?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Could have fooled me, the usual trick is to blur things by jumping straight to doctors and the NHS etc if people point issues with this particular kind of immigration.

Only heard you mention the doctors argument

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Just as nobody on here believes in open borders, nobody has argued for letting people in ‘unvetted’.

Hence why you have to have a functioning system
I fear we aren’t able to manage it given the last 4-5 years of unprecedented numbers

 

[wingy]

Grok suggests this is a lebonese interview from 2024 .. how much of this is happening in the uk and how much of it are we allowing in ..

The main issue , as with many things for me is the cultural differences , its wrong.

No point beimg angry with people who dont wnat this kind of behaviour here , the behaviour is far more disgusting than anything i can say

Yet we have politicians over here and the States and likely Europe to that touring this kind of shit for the home market,shudders.

 

[Nick]

Yet we have politicians over here and the States and likely Europe to that touring this kind of shit for the home market,shudders.

Convicted terrorist FFS isn't there an MP convicted of child rape as well?

Let's face it. Just cry racism and people shit themselves.

Look at those blokes and the female police officer as an example.

 

[Nick]

Only heard you mention the doctors argument

Plenty want to blur concerns into all migration as a whole, all or nothing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Plenty want to blur concerns into all migration as a whole, all or nothing.

No. Nobody wants people put up in hotels and nobody wants people coming in unvetted. Some acknowledge that we’re reliant on foreign labour, both skilled and unskilled, so you have to wean the country off that gradually. You can’t immediately turn off the tap without certain sectors collapsing overnight.

The ‘sides’ actually aren’t as far apart on this as you seem to think.

 

[Nick]

No. Nobody wants people put up in hotels and nobody wants people coming in unvetted. Some acknowledge that we’re reliant on foreign labour, both skilled and unskilled, so you have to wean the country off that gradually. You can’t immediately turn off the tap without certain sectors collapsing overnight.

The ‘sides’ actually aren’t as far apart on this as you seem to think.

The only things that will collapse if the taps were turned off people turning up illegally would be the people making money from it. The coach companies, the NGOs, the translators ,who help people play the system, the accommodation owners. Plenty are making shit loads from it.

The worrying thing is that you have people like that greens who are literally just begging for votes.

Nothing would change if thousands of unvetted, illegal migrants were deported tomorrow.

 

[chiefdave]

Only heard you mention the doctors argument

I tried searching the thread for 'doctors' to see who on the forum has made that argument and all that comes up is people claiming doctors and nurses is always the argument or people saying nobody has made that argument or asking who did

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Fear this will just get worse and worse

Tolu Arokodare: Wolves striker sent racist abuse on social media

Wolves say they are "disgusted" after striker Tolu Arokodare was sent racist abuse on social media by "multiple perpetrators" following his side's 1-0 loss to Crystal Palace.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Nick]

I tried searching the thread for 'doctors' to see who on the forum has made that argument and all that comes up is people claiming doctors and nurses is always the argument or people saying nobody has made that argument or asking who did

So nobody has tried to blur the different types of immigration?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The only things that will collapse if the taps were turned off people turning up illegally would be the people making money from it. The coach companies, the NGOs, the translators ,who help people play the system, the accommodation owners. Plenty are making shit loads from it.

The worrying thing is that you have people like that greens who are literally just begging for votes.

Nothing would change if thousands of unvetted, illegal migrants were deported tomorrow.

They aren’t here illegally until they have been vetted and either granted asylum or their claim has been rejected. Again, people on here including me support offshore asylum claim processing and hiring what staff we need to process existing claims on British soil and returning hotels to public use.

 

[Nick]

Fear this will just get worse and worse

Tolu Arokodare: Wolves striker sent racist abuse on social media

Wolves say they are "disgusted" after striker Tolu Arokodare was sent racist abuse on social media by "multiple perpetrators" following his side's 1-0 loss to Crystal Palace.

www.bbc.co.uk

I haven't seen this but the one with the Chelsea player it was foreign people. (Not that it makes it right, just pointing that out)

That's the issue with those sites

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I haven't seen this but the one with the Chelsea player it was foreign people. (Not that it makes it right, just pointing that out)

Ok you don’t think racist comments are becoming more common place?

 

[Nick]

Ok you don’t think racist comments are becoming more common place?

On sites like twitter etc, sure.

Just pointing out the majority of the ones for the footballers are strange, foreign accounts. Same when it was dabo.

Of course not saying that nobody British ever says anything, just that for some reason when you look it's always the strange accounts.

They can threaten lifetime bans from football but they won't ever be within 500 miles of the stadiums anyway.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

On sites like twitter etc, sure.

Just pointing out the majority of the ones for the footballers are strange, foreign accounts. Same when it was dabo.

Of course not saying that nobody British ever says anything, just that for some reason when you look it's always the strange accounts.

They can threaten lifetime bans from football but they won't ever be within 500 miles of the stadiums anyway.

I think with a fair number of these sporting ones it’s foreigners who’ve put money on whatever game it is then abuse whoever has ‘lost’ them the bet. There was a piece on it not long ago.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

On sites like twitter etc, sure.

Just pointing out the majority of the ones for the footballers are strange, foreign accounts. Same when it was dabo.

Of course not saying that nobody British ever says anything, just that for some reason when you look it's always the strange accounts.

They can threaten lifetime bans from football but they won't ever be within 500 miles of the stadiums anyway.

Hope so
I so hope I never hear a shout referring to face colour or race as we all heard in block 10 at a recent home game that was jumped on by everyone that was a homophobic shout

 

[Nick]

I think with a fair number of these sporting ones it’s foreigners who’ve put money on whatever game it is then abuse whoever has ‘lost’ them the bet. There was a piece on it not long ago.

Fucking wrong uns. So much of "football" social media is ai or weird foreign accounts like it.

Looking at the wolves screenshots, looks like they are foreign accounts too.

 

[Nick]

Hope so
I so hope I never hear a shout referring to face colour or race as we all heard in block 10 at a recent home game that was jumped on by everyone that was a homophobic shout

I'm not saying there are no wrong uns in the crowds, of course there will be and they should be banned for life.

It's just when stuff like this comes out it's kind of infered it's the fans (like with dabo).

Although that fan being banned because of a chant at Chelsea is laughable.

 

[chiefdave]

I think with a fair number of these sporting ones it’s foreigners who’ve put money on whatever game it is then abuse whoever has ‘lost’ them the bet. There was a piece on it not long ago.

Until a couple of years ago it wasn't legal to bet on ice hockey in North America, and presumably other sports.

Across the board players report huge amounts of abuse, including racism and even death threats, since betting has been introduced.