Immigration and Asylum (7 Viewers)
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Sky Blue Pete
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We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
rob9872
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That's always been the case and an ageing population is why the threshold age is increasing. Still think it's not fair to penalise someone who has paid into the pot for others for 50 years. Especially when you're happy to pay to feed, house and clothe those who haven't contributed a bean.
Ccfcisparks
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Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
Grendel
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So I assume they also shouldn’t pay tax on a uk sourced private pension either?
If you paid into a UK based private pension as younger people now do would you be happy if that the provider declared it nil and void if you left the country after retirement. Most people over the age of 67 weren't in a supplementary scheme when they started work as it was presumed that the NI would cover it if they paid in for 45 years. Nobody imagined the benefits bill would escalate as it has, In more recent years obviously folks were encouraged to have AVC's or employment funded pensions.
Nick
Administrator
Ironic really. Just that you're talking about people who have worked and paid tax all their life.
Grendel
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And those with private pensions still have to pay tax before they receive any income
Nick
Administrator
We can't afford to pay people who have worked here all their life but we can for people who will likely never pay anywhere near as tax.
Make it make sense b
Grendel
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It really is amazing when you look at this thought process
Skybluefaz
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That'd really fuck my family over.
My wife and I paid plenty of NI for 20+ years before moving our family to Australia to try and give my kids a better life.
Don't know if we'll stay here forever but we know we're entitled to a state pension at the moment when we reach retirement age.
Not all people that move away are rich people dodging tax in dubai.
Sky Blue Pete
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I thought benefits were a problem
Who says we should give benefits to people who haven’t paid in?
Sky Blue Pete
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Everyone whatever age pays tax on their income over the tax allowance each year
Sky Blue Pete
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Pension is by far and away the largest benefit isn’t it?
Grendel
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Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
What you wowing now?
Nick
Administrator
We paid 15 billion to immigrants in the last 18 months.
If somebody has lived and worked in the UK then why shouldn't they get their pension that they paid into?
Sky Blue Pete
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We haven’t got enough money and they don’t live here
Nick
Administrator
Got enough to pay millions per day for hotels.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Don't think a single person on here thinks it's a good idea to keep putting people up in hotels.
Sky Blue Pete
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24-25 state pension costs £135bn
Marty
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Are you going to take your state pension Pete?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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IF such a thing were ever considered I doubt it would apply to those that had already moved. However, it could be brought in from a particular future point and anyone moving abroad after that would have to factor in the loss of that income when considering whether to go.
It is of course a bit swings and roundabouts as although it would reduce pension payments, they wouldn't be using local services like health or social care (although they could feasibly come back later on when they were getting old and in more need of such services), and it frees up housing in this country. Maybe the argument could be made for a reduced pension for those living abroad, as if you have the means and ability to move abroad chances are you're not going to be living on the breadline.
I can sort of see the argument for it, but I can also see why it would be considered unfair. I certainly think there are other things we could change before this.