Immigration and Asylum (12 Viewers)

[LarryGrayson]

The whole system needs to be massively sped up, would solve so many problems.

this is it get people working and get people deported who fail there claim and alls ok its all so simple but doesnt suit some parties to say it

 

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[Nick]

this is it get people working and get people deported who fail there claim and alls ok its all so simple but doesnt suit some parties to say it

Fucking weird act still going on.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

I can say it because we've had this conversation numerous times and we've mentioned the points you raise every time. Can't mention those points if we've not been paying attention. Some of them we admit there is something to them. We just then go on to expand the argument and look at other factors that are also part of the problem.

Where's the proof you've been listening to the responses? Where's your reasoned riposte to the points we make? It's always "you're not agreeing with me so you're not listening?"

This isn't about 'us'. Us being the majority of the country. Most people you will speak to accept that immigration should not be zero. I've just said that as well (you haven't listened again), and if you speak to most normal people, they agree this is the case.

The reason people are voting reform is because people like you, and the government, refuse to listen. You are doing exactly the same thing now, whilst pointing the finger.

This is quite an exhausting cycle, and you just aren't getting it.

 

[Earlsdon_Skyblue1]

There's a disagreement because pretty much anything less than sinking boats in the channel and zero immigration is interpreted as wanting completely open borders when the vast majority of those you disagree with want tight controls on immigration.

The difference is some people are happy to take at face value completely false statements made by the likes of Farage and Ratcliffe. You've got the elite chatting absolute shit and a large group of people being completely taken in by it. Nothing seems to have been learnt from brexit. In many cases its the same people making the same arguments, they've just subbed in immigration for brexit as their unicorn fix.

THIS.

Farage was the face of Brexit for years. Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster that has made life worse for the average man on the street.

The average man on the street now thinks putting Farage in government will fix all their woes.

It's staggering really.

Again, you are both displaying that you have absolutely no idea what the average person thinks.

Voting reform, just like Brexit is largely a protest. Most normal people aren't looking at these situations and voting because they idolise Farage and think he is going to solve their problems. The country is at a breaking point, and people have had enough.

 

[chiefdave]

This isn't about 'us'. Us being the majority of the country. Most people you will speak to accept that immigration should not be zero. I've just said that as well (you haven't listened again), and if you speak to most normal people, they agree this is the case.

The reason people are voting reform is because people like you, and the government, refuse to listen. You are doing exactly the same thing now, whilst pointing the finger.

This is quite an exhausting cycle, and you just aren't getting it.

The last government and the current government have no shut up about immigration. Its hardly something that's being ignored.

People are going to Reform because they are a) blaming everything on immigrants and b) promising something there is zero chance they will be able to deliver. Its easier to just go along with that rather than tackle the complex issues and the countries own shortcomings.

Its very easy when you're in opposition and have never been in power to claim you have all the solutions, without actually giving any details of those solutions.

 

[PVA]

The country is at a breaking point, and people have had enough.

Hmm where have I heard that before?

Oh yes.

As has been said, we've heard it all before. It's the same argument rehashed.

 

[Nick]

The last government and the current government have no shut up about immigration. Its hardly something that's being ignored.

People are going to Reform because they are a) blaming everything on immigrants and b) promising something there is zero chance they will be able to deliver. Its easier to just go along with that rather than tackle the complex issues and the countries own shortcomings.

Its very easy when you're in opposition and have never been in power to claim you have all the solutions, without actually giving any details of those solutions.

I don't vote for reform but people are clearly going to them because there is nobody else willing to at least address the issues. On the other hand you have Starmer just trying to call everybody racist if they have an issue.

Still, what Ratcliffe said distracted away from him for a little bit so job done.

 

[PVA]

I don't vote for reform but people are clearly going to them because there is nobody else willing to at least address the issues. On the other hand you have Starmer just trying to call everybody racist if they have an issue.

Still, what Ratcliffe said distracted away from him for a little bit so job done.

Do you have a link to Starmer calling everyone racist?


As for not addressing the issues:

Over 58,500 illegal migrants and foreign criminals have been removed or deported from the UK since the 2024 election. More than 15,200 illegal migrants were deported and forcibly removed in that same period, a 45% increase on the 19 months prior. Deportations of foreign national offenders including murderers and rapists are up 32%, with more than 8,700 deported since government came into power

But facts don't matter to many people. More people will take notice of Ratcliffe's made up figures than the actual facts above.

(some of the blame for that must go to the government for not pushing this stuff harder)

 

[LarryGrayson]

Do you have a link to Starmer calling everyone racist?


As for not addressing the issues:



But facts don't matter to many people. More people will take notice of Ratcliffe's made up figures than the actual facts above.

(some of the blame for that must go to the government for not pushing this stuff harder)

what i dont get is want rid of illegal immigrants then great stop using uber just eat car washes and the lick

 

[Nick]

what i dont get is want rid of illegal immigrants then great stop using uber just eat car washes and the lick

What I don't get is why somebody signs up and pretends they can't spell

 

[Nick]

Do you have a link to Starmer calling everyone racist?


As for not addressing the issues:



But facts don't matter to many people. More people will take notice of Ratcliffe's made up figures than the actual facts above.

(some of the blame for that must go to the government for not pushing this stuff harder)

Fucking hell everybody is far right if they think there are issues.

I haven't heard ratcliffe, was it just his numbers were wrong?

 

[chiefdave]

I haven't heard ratcliffe, was it just his numbers were wrong?

He got his numbers wrong, he also said 'the UK has been colonised by immigrants' which I think is what pissed people off.

Doesn't help that he lives in Monaco to avoid paying tax here, a place where the majority of the population are foreign nationals!