Ccfcisparks
Well-Known Member
People have been taking coke in pub toilets for years before we had these immigrant issues
People have been taking coke in pub toilets for years before we had these immigrant issuesNo one is especially bothered about things until they see an impact
As I’ve said before the hotel near me has has asylum residents now for a while and the area has changed. Local shop is under seige, people taking coke in the local pub and general fear and intimidation.
People are ok with it as long as it’s not at their door
People have been taking coke in pub toilets for years before we had these immigrant issues
Not really spinning just responding to what you and others are sayingThis is specifically about gang rape. I don't doubt more sexual offences in number (not %) by white men, since there are more white men.
You've also said that I've suggested only white or Muslim. I've not. I said I wasn't aware of any gang rapes by other demographics, that doesn't mean there aren't any, I also didnt mention white or Muslim, only you have.
This is about a specific case in England, yards from a migrant hotel. It's not a stretch to join the dots, but again, my post is about the police information or lack of it, you are spinning your own narrative around it and assuming interpretations from me that I've not made.
The tired argument of yeah but others commit crime too is not a defence. The fact we have limited resources and lots of our own criminals is not a good reason to import more of them.
That you know of...Not in Allesley village they haven’t mate
That's very disingenuous Pete. With the public outcry if there was no description of who they are searching for or the description wasn't a particular demographic, then they would have come out and said simply to quell those rumours. The silence is deafening.
It also begs the question why this isn't big news and people are unaware or not seen anything about it. We have a forum of experts on Hungarian politics, yet mine was the first post on this and some haven't even seen about the crime - a young girl in England who has been gang raped. And do we really believe that she's not given any description about any of the assailants?
That you know of...
Dont you think locals know though? Same as Tamworth, same as Nuneaton.Not really spinning just responding to what you and others are saying
It’s just supposition then and ok - the more immigrants the more crime
Girl gang raped migrant hotel down the road must be a migrant
What are the police doing they shouldn’t be or not doing they should?
They should say our line of investigation is that it was a migrant from the hotel?
Is that it?
You're wasting your time. He simply wants to argue to try and trip you up and shout racist. It's not even a surprise any longer. Not a single coherent point made.Dont you think locals know though? Same as Tamworth, same as Nuneaton.
People probably want some acknowledgement of the issues of whacking shit loads of unvetted men from a culture way behind ours in the middle of communities.
Yes few times. Know the landlord wellBeen in there?
If they've just arrived and are put up in hotels with free board etc, how on earth do they have money for drugs and going to the pub? Are they receiving a sizeable allowance too? And who is supplying them with coke?No one is especially bothered about things until they see an impact
As I’ve said before the hotel near me has has asylum residents now for a while and the area has changed. Local shop is under seige, people taking coke in the local pub and general fear and intimidation.
People are ok with it as long as it’s not at their door
Yes few times. Know the landlord well
If they've just arrived and are put up in hotels with free board etc, how on earth do they have money for drugs and going to the pub? Are they receiving a sizeable allowance too? And who is supplying them with coke?
Yes shes lovely!it’s a woman
This is some good journalism. Yesterday was 'we'll make up you are Gay,' today it is 'you are a domestic abuse victim.'
We are infiltrated by this.
BBC reporter told to fake domestic abuse claim to get asylum
Some migrants are being encouraged to fabricate abuse allegations in order to stay in the UK.www.bbc.com
Both need deporting and seizure of all assets.
What is the solutionUnlikely to happen sadly. I don't think people realise how fucked the 'system' is.
100%The migrant hotels need shutting down.
100%
The problem is the sheer scale. You have to put them somewhere and hotels are being used as a last resort. Things are being done but of course everyone wants the problem resolved overnight which isn't realistically going to happen.
We need to start processing claims far, far quicker. But that requires recruiting and training staff and resolving the issue of a huge number of initial decisions being overturned.
Only way you fix this is a working system that is quick and efficient. Get the undesirables rejected and out of the country and those with genuine claims working and integrating into the community. From any angle you come at it having people in hotels for months / years is not the solution.
What is the solution
How do we choose who to deport.A complete change in approach. Audit the shit out of organisations such as the Home Office and bring prople in to run them properly. This includes border force. New rules and laws will be needed during this to ensure going forwards there are no leaks and we have a tight border. Genuine refugees should be given the right care and helped to integrate, but ridiculous visas given out (also to unnecessary levels of dependents) need to stop, as do the boats.
Then there needs to be mass deportations.
How do we choose who to deport.
Good idea. That Boro fan would be the first one gone, closely followed by anyone who ever disses Tom WagnerYou should be in charge of that.
How do you stop boats arriving? Other than blowing them out of the water which I'm sure you're not advocating.A complete change in approach. Audit the shit out of organisations such as the Home Office and bring prople in to run them properly. This includes border force. New rules and laws will be needed during this to ensure going forwards there are no leaks and we have a tight border. Genuine refugees should be given the right care and helped to integrate, but ridiculous visas given out (also to unnecessary levels of dependents) need to stop, as do the boats.
Then there needs to be mass deportations.
Leicester supportersGood idea. That Boro fan would be the first one gone, closely followed by anyone who ever disses Tom Wagner
Have someone on the beach turning them aroundHow do you stop boats arriving? Other than blowing them out of the water which I'm sure you're not advocating.
And what are the criteria for mass deportations?
No can do once they've entered or waters.Have someone on the beach turning them around
What benefit is there for France to agree to this?No can do once they've entered or waters.
Have the Navy 100M off the coast of France and treat it as a training exercise. small boat deployed as they are spotted to turn tow them back to shore. Can be a bit of a cat and mouse game preparing for a real enemy.
They'd be hard pressed to say no since we're already paying them to enforce the checks. If anything we could argue we're doing them a favour.What benefit is there for France to agree to this?
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The problem is the sheer scale. You have to put them somewhere and hotels are being used as a last resort. Things are being done but of course everyone wants the problem resolved overnight which isn't realistically going to happen.
We need to start processing claims far, far quicker. But that requires recruiting and training staff and resolving the issue of a huge number of initial decisions being overturned.
Only way you fix this is a working system that is quick and efficient. Get the undesirables rejected and out of the country and those with genuine claims working and integrating into the community. From any angle you come at it having people in hotels for months / years is not the solution.
Declare war on them if they dont agree?What benefit is there for France to agree to this?
They'd be hard pressed to say no since we're already paying them to enforce the checks. If anything we could argue we're doing them a favour.
According to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), external and the International Convention on Maritime Search and Rescue (SAR Convention), external, states are allowed to pick people up from boats if they are "found at sea in danger of being lost".
But these laws do not allow them to be taken to another state without that country agreeing.
In fact, Article 19 of UNCLOS says that if a "foreign ship" enters another country's territorial waters it will "be considered to be prejudicial to the peace" if "it engages in the loading or unloading of any... person contrary to the immigration laws" of that country.
BBC Verify spoke to two experts in maritime law.
James M. Turner KC, a shipping lawyer at Quadrant Chambers, told us: "The French would have to grant express permission for UK vessels to carry rescued people through their territorial waters and to leave them ashore in France".
Ainhoa Campàs Velasco, a maritime law expert from the University of Southampton, said migrants could not be returned to French shores, "unilaterally, and without prior agreement with France".
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