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Immigration and Asylum (15 Viewers)

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  • Start date Sep 10, 2025
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wingy

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  • Today at 4:38 PM
  • #1,786
Taking it to keep the billionaires happy,, give a Grant to build a stadium?
Don't sound right to me?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 5:24 PM
  • #1,787
rob9872 said:
Why? If they've paid in all their lives why shouldn't they? I'd reduce it (probably 2/3 rate seems fair) as they'll be spending it in another economy and not reinvesting, but I do think they should still be entitled.
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We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Today at 7:46 PM
  • #1,788
Sky Blue Pete said:
We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
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That's always been the case and an ageing population is why the threshold age is increasing. Still think it's not fair to penalise someone who has paid into the pot for others for 50 years. Especially when you're happy to pay to feed, house and clothe those who haven't contributed a bean.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • 51 minutes ago
  • #1,789
rob9872 said:
That's always been the case and an ageing population is why the threshold age is increasing. Still think it's not fair to penalise someone who has paid into the pot for others for 50 years. Especially when you're happy to pay to feed, house and clothe those who haven't contributed a bean.
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Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
 

Grendel

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  • 40 minutes ago
  • #1,790
Ccfcisparks said:
Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
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So I assume they also shouldn’t pay tax on a uk sourced private pension either?
 
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ccfcno9

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  • 33 minutes ago
  • #1,791
Ccfcisparks said:
Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
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If you paid into a UK based private pension as younger people now do would you be happy if that the provider declared it nil and void if you left the country after retirement. Most people over the age of 67 weren't in a supplementary scheme when they started work as it was presumed that the NI would cover it if they paid in for 45 years. Nobody imagined the benefits bill would escalate as it has, In more recent years obviously folks were encouraged to have AVC's or employment funded pensions.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • 26 minutes ago
  • #1,792
Ccfcisparks said:
Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
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Ironic really. Just that you're talking about people who have worked and paid tax all their life.
 

Grendel

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  • 25 minutes ago
  • #1,793
Nick said:
Ironic really. Just that you're talking about people who have worked and paid tax all their life.
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And those with private pensions still have to pay tax before they receive any income
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • 25 minutes ago
  • #1,794
Sky Blue Pete said:
We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
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We can't afford to pay people who have worked here all their life but we can for people who will likely never pay anywhere near as tax.

Make it make sense b
 

Grendel

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  • 24 minutes ago
  • #1,795
Nick said:
We can't afford to pay people who have worked here all their life but we can for people who will likely never pay anywhere near as tax.

Make it make sense b
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It really is amazing when you look at this thought process
 

Skybluefaz

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  • 15 minutes ago
  • #1,796
Sky Blue Pete said:
We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
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That'd really fuck my family over.
My wife and I paid plenty of NI for 20+ years before moving our family to Australia to try and give my kids a better life.

Don't know if we'll stay here forever but we know we're entitled to a state pension at the moment when we reach retirement age.

Not all people that move away are rich people dodging tax in dubai.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • 13 minutes ago
  • #1,797
Nick said:
We can't afford to pay people who have worked here all their life but we can for people who will likely never pay anywhere near as tax.

Make it make sense b
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I thought benefits were a problem
Who says we should give benefits to people who haven’t paid in?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • 11 minutes ago
  • #1,798
Grendel said:
And those with private pensions still have to pay tax before they receive any income
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Everyone whatever age pays tax on their income over the tax allowance each year
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • 9 minutes ago
  • #1,799
rob9872 said:
That's always been the case and an ageing population is why the threshold age is increasing. Still think it's not fair to penalise someone who has paid into the pot for others for 50 years. Especially when you're happy to pay to feed, house and clothe those who haven't contributed a bean.
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Pension is by far and away the largest benefit isn’t it?
 

Grendel

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  • 9 minutes ago
  • #1,800
Sky Blue Pete said:
Everyone whatever age pays tax on their income over the tax allowance each year
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Wow
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • 9 minutes ago
  • #1,801
Grendel said:
Wow
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What you wowing now?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • 1 minute ago
  • #1,802
Sky Blue Pete said:
I thought benefits were a problem
Who says we should give benefits to people who haven’t paid in?
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We paid 15 billion to immigrants in the last 18 months.

If somebody has lived and worked in the UK then why shouldn't they get their pension that they paid into?
 
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