We can’t afford to pay people who have left the countryWhy? If they've paid in all their lives why shouldn't they? I'd reduce it (probably 2/3 rate seems fair) as they'll be spending it in another economy and not reinvesting, but I do think they should still be entitled.
That's always been the case and an ageing population is why the threshold age is increasing. Still think it's not fair to penalise someone who has paid into the pot for others for 50 years. Especially when you're happy to pay to feed, house and clothe those who haven't contributed a bean.We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay themThat's always been the case and an ageing population is why the threshold age is increasing. Still think it's not fair to penalise someone who has paid into the pot for others for 50 years. Especially when you're happy to pay to feed, house and clothe those who haven't contributed a bean.
Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
If you paid into a UK based private pension as younger people now do would you be happy if that the provider declared it nil and void if you left the country after retirement. Most people over the age of 67 weren't in a supplementary scheme when they started work as it was presumed that the NI would cover it if they paid in for 45 years. Nobody imagined the benefits bill would escalate as it has, In more recent years obviously folks were encouraged to have AVC's or employment funded pensions.Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
Ironic really. Just that you're talking about people who have worked and paid tax all their life.Its not penalising, if they don't want to be part of our society why should we pay them
Ironic really. Just that you're talking about people who have worked and paid tax all their life.
We can't afford to pay people who have worked here all their life but we can for people who will likely never pay anywhere near as tax.We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
We can't afford to pay people who have worked here all their life but we can for people who will likely never pay anywhere near as tax.
Make it make sense b
That'd really fuck my family over.We can’t afford to pay people who have left the country
Our ni contributions are paying for their pensions not our own
They want to move away that’s fine benefits will stop then
I thought benefits were a problemWe can't afford to pay people who have worked here all their life but we can for people who will likely never pay anywhere near as tax.
Make it make sense b
Everyone whatever age pays tax on their income over the tax allowance each yearAnd those with private pensions still have to pay tax before they receive any income
Pension is by far and away the largest benefit isn’t it?That's always been the case and an ageing population is why the threshold age is increasing. Still think it's not fair to penalise someone who has paid into the pot for others for 50 years. Especially when you're happy to pay to feed, house and clothe those who haven't contributed a bean.
Everyone whatever age pays tax on their income over the tax allowance each year
What you wowing now?
We paid 15 billion to immigrants in the last 18 months.I thought benefits were a problem
Who says we should give benefits to people who haven’t paid in?
We haven’t got enough money and they don’t live hereWe paid 15 billion to immigrants in the last 18 months.
If somebody has lived and worked in the UK then why shouldn't they get their pension that they paid into?
Got enough to pay millions per day for hotels.We haven’t got enough money and they don’t live here
Don't think a single person on here thinks it's a good idea to keep putting people up in hotels.Got enough to pay millions per day for hotels.
24-25 state pension costs £135bnWe haven’t got enough money and they don’t live here
24-25 state pension costs £135bn
IF such a thing were ever considered I doubt it would apply to those that had already moved. However, it could be brought in from a particular future point and anyone moving abroad after that would have to factor in the loss of that income when considering whether to go.That'd really fuck my family over.
My wife and I paid plenty of NI for 20+ years before moving our family to Australia to try and give my kids a better life.
Don't know if we'll stay here forever but we know we're entitled to a state pension at the moment when we reach retirement age.
Not all people that move away are rich people dodging tax in dubai.
Doubt it will exist when I become due it at 67Are you going to take your state pension Pete?
Although it doesn't really need saying (but if we don't it'll be asked why we're so quiet on the matter) it's a disgrace and if convicted should forfeit any right to remain in this country.
what?
It’s a ridiculous idea. What if someone has been working in the UK for 25 years and then has to relocate abroad for their job but then decided to stay there?IF such a thing were ever considered I doubt it would apply to those that had already moved. However, it could be brought in from a particular future point and anyone moving abroad after that would have to factor in the loss of that income when considering whether to go.
It is of course a bit swings and roundabouts as although it would reduce pension payments, they wouldn't be using local services like health or social care (although they could feasibly come back later on when they were getting old and in more need of such services), and it frees up housing in this country. Maybe the argument could be made for a reduced pension for those living abroad, as if you have the means and ability to move abroad chances are you're not going to be living on the breadline.
I can sort of see the argument for it, but I can also see why it would be considered unfair. I certainly think there are other things we could change before this.
Bookmark it if you want.Enjoying the posting of a story (Coventry one) in a thread about immigration and asylum at the point where there's no mention in the story of either immigration or asylum. It would be a lot easier if someone just started a thread called 'Horrible Sh*t Done by Brown People' and dumped this stuff in there.
Bookmark it if you want.
I'm just treating it as a hypothetical. As I said I think there would be better ways to solve this crisis but let's look at the actual pros and cons of it as an idea.It’s a ridiculous idea. What if someone has been working in the UK for 25 years and then has to relocate abroad for their job but then decided to stay there?
It’s all too horrificGrok suggests this is a lebonese interview from 2024 .. how much of this is happening in the uk and how much of it are we allowing in ..
The main issue , as with many things for me is the cultural differences , its wrong.
No point beimg angry with people who dont wnat this kind of behaviour here , the behaviour is far more disgusting than anything i can say
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